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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 10:35:11 GMT
As above I have similar feelings- I LOVE me some SRB but his Falstaff, while very very far from bad didn't do it on film for me. I cite combination of Allam and film not communicating it properly.
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Post by Jan on Aug 7, 2017 13:41:03 GMT
I'd already seen Roger Allam smash it out of the park. Robert Stephens also slam dunked it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:45:43 GMT
Michael Gambon improvised it.
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Post by Jan on Aug 7, 2017 16:40:26 GMT
Michael Gambon improvised it. He wasn't much good, which was surprising. The part is very rarely done well. McKellen was wise to turn it down when Doran offered it to him, even though it meant we had to suffer Sher deploying one of his funny voices instead. John Woodvine was very good years ago. |
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 7, 2017 17:07:14 GMT
I'd already seen Roger Allam smash it out of the park. Robert Stephens also slam dunked it. Agreed! He is still the best Falstaff ive seen, tho i missed Allam. |
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 7, 2017 17:12:06 GMT
Michael Gambon improvised it. He wasn't much good, which was surprising. The part is very rarely done well. McKellen was wise to turn it down when Doran offered it to him, even though it meant we had to suffer Sher deploying one of his funny voices instead. John Woodvine was very good years ago. It was odd wasnt it? The part ought to have suited him. SRB was oddly subfued on telly few years back. Albert Finney would surely have been b good. |
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Post by Jan on Aug 7, 2017 18:18:00 GMT
He wasn't much good, which was surprising. The part is very rarely done well. McKellen was wise to turn it down when Doran offered it to him, even though it meant we had to suffer Sher deploying one of his funny voices instead. John Woodvine was very good years ago. It was odd wasnt it? The part ought to have suited him. SRB was oddly subfued on telly few years back. Albert Finney would surely have been b good. Finney yes. I thought SRB would be perfect for it as he plays disappointment better than anyone, but in a way he is too refined and not plausible as a debauched drunk, whereas Stephens was the real thing. There have been several really bad attempts at it, David Warner and Joss Ackland to name only two. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 18:36:31 GMT
In cinema, what about Orson Welles and the guy in My Own Private Idaho?
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 7, 2017 19:24:28 GMT
In cinema, what about Orson Welles and the guy in My Own Private Idaho? It will always be Welles. Chimes at Midnight is a superb film. The triumph of the second half of his career😊 |
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Post by crabtree on Aug 7, 2017 22:11:12 GMT
Simon Callow of course did the musical of Merry Wives, though not Simon Cowell as the mother and daughter next to me were expecting. They walked out in a huff. Simon Cowell as Falstaff, now there's a thought, with Amanda and Alesha as the wives, and David Walliams as Mistress quickly. Perfect.
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Post by peggs on Aug 7, 2017 22:51:42 GMT
It was odd wasnt it? The part ought to have suited him. SRB was oddly subfued on telly few years back. Albert Finney would surely have been b good. I thought SRB would be perfect for it as he plays disappointment better than anyone, but in a way he is too refined and not plausible as a debauched drunk, whereas Stephens was the real thing. Perhaps that is it, I was excited and then it didn't quite work for me either. Have seen the dvd of Roger Allam which gave an indication of how good it would have been live, Michael Gambon was my first and I anticipate being blown away and wasn't quite. Not an easy part to nail me think. |
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Post by Jan on Aug 8, 2017 9:04:12 GMT
Welles' "Chimes at Midnight" excellent of course. It is a good adaptation/reduction of the plays too, someone should try staging that script.
Falstaff in Merry Wives is an even more thankless task I think, I've never seen it done well, Barrie Rutter entirely charmless for example.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:44:15 GMT
Barry Stanton in the Bogdanov cycle back in the late eighties was very good, I seem to remember. As for Merry Wives on its own, Christopher Benjamin's at the Globe was the best I've seen, I think, Leslie Phillips was pretty good too, even as it was difficult to separate him from his persona.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:49:32 GMT
Barry Stanton in the Bogdanov cycle back in the late eighties was very good, I seem to remember. My memories are failing - I thought that was John Woodvine, but I wasn't sure. Joss Ackland was Falstaff in Trevor Nunn's RSC Henry IV part I and II which opened the Barbican Theatre, with Gerard Murphy as Hal. It was my first Henry IV and very believable and touching I thought. |
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Post by Jan on Aug 8, 2017 10:53:59 GMT
Barry Stanton in the Bogdanov cycle back in the late eighties was very good, I seem to remember. My memories are failing - I thought that was John Woodvine, but I wasn't sure. Woodvine first when it was the initial Henry IV & V three play cycle, replaced by Stanton when it was expanded to the whole history cycle. I saw Woodvine. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:54:28 GMT
Barry Stanton in the Bogdanov cycle back in the late eighties was very good, I seem to remember. My memories are failing - I thought that was John Woodvine, but I wasn't sure. Joss Ackland was Falstaff in Trevor Nunn's RSC Henry IV part I and II which opened the Barbican Theatre, with Gerard Murphy as Hal. It was my first Henry IV and very believable and touching I thought. Stanton in the production when I saw it, I think he might have taken over from John Woodvine. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:57:00 GMT
John Woodvine was unapologetically unlike how we expect Falstaff to be, and as he seemed 100% confident in his representation then so were we.
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 8, 2017 11:08:13 GMT
Welles' "Chimes at Midnight" excellent of course. It is a good adaptation/reduction of the plays too, someone should try staging that script. Falstaff in Merry Wives is an even more thankless task I think, I've never seen it done well, Barrie Rutter entirely charmless for example. Callow did CaM at Chichester a while back. I missed it, nice touch to have had the Welles Hal (Keith Baxter) as the King, reviews werent kind as i recall. |
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Post by Jan on Aug 8, 2017 11:43:11 GMT
John Woodvine was unapologetically unlike how we expect Falstaff to be, and as he seemed 100% confident in his representation then so were we. One of the oddest bits of casting was Richard Cordery as Falstaff in David Farr's "Merry Wives" but no one noticed because it was overshadowed. by one of the most bizarre pieces of miscasting of all time with Greg Hicks giving us his Dr Caius. |
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 8, 2017 11:47:37 GMT
John Woodvine was unapologetically unlike how we expect Falstaff to be, and as he seemed 100% confident in his representation then so were we. One of the oddest bits of casting was Richard Cordery as Falstaff in David Farr's "Merry Wives" but no one noticed because it was overshadowed. by one of the most bizarre pieces of miscasting of all time with Greg Hicks giving us his Dr Caius. That was an intentionally hilarious production! The wives werent much good as i recall. The Leslie Philips/Susannah York one is prob the best ive seen. |
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Post by Jan on Aug 8, 2017 12:16:58 GMT
One of the oddest bits of casting was Richard Cordery as Falstaff in David Farr's "Merry Wives" but no one noticed because it was overshadowed. by one of the most bizarre pieces of miscasting of all time with Greg Hicks giving us his Dr Caius. That was an intentionally hilarious production! The wives werent much good as i recall. The Leslie Philips/Susannah York one is prob the best ive seen. The high-concept RSC one set in the early days of Elizabeth II's reign in the 1950s best I've seen. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 8, 2017 13:30:38 GMT
I wonder whether someone like Mark Addy might not make a decent attempt at the role
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:35:39 GMT
The high-concept RSC one set in the early days of Elizabeth II's reign in the 1950s best I've seen. Bill Alexander directed - and his Richard III with Antony Sher was within a year, as far as I remember. Peter Jeffrey as Falstaff? Lindsey Duncan and Janet Dale under the hair-driers? |
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Post by TallPaul on Aug 8, 2017 13:37:20 GMT
I wonder whether someone like Mark Addy might not make a decent attempt at the role He did do The Hypocrite, that Richard Bean thing. It's the sort of play I know @emicardiff loves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
I wonder whether someone like Mark Addy might not make a decent attempt at the role He did do The Hypocrite, that Richard Bean thing. It's the sort of play I know @emicardiff loves. *shudder* it's my dream play scenario that one right there.
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