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Post by musicalmarge on Dec 1, 2017 1:17:09 GMT
This I know - but they were negative because of the musical itself. This is quite different. None of the reviews I’m sure were negative because of the themes of prostitution in either or the sexualisation and abuse of women etc... My point is that many left wing, feminist or PC reviewers have a different narrative than they did two decades ago and I think (as in the case of Dogfight and Half a Sixpence-gate) is detrimental to the reviews they give. Did the reviews of the revival of Miss Saigon operate the way you suggest? (I'll give you a little hint: no, they didn't.) No they didn’t I agree. But it was a revival of a famous 80’s show that everyone knows. So no comparison!! Dogfight, Half a Sixpense and Big Fish are all new shows to be reviewed for the very first time. (And yes I know Half a Sixpense was already a show). My point is and I will say it again for the third time. We have journalists going in to review shows who don’t even like the genre of musical theatre - that is wrong. |
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Post by sf on Dec 1, 2017 1:42:32 GMT
Did the reviews of the revival of Miss Saigon operate the way you suggest? (I'll give you a little hint: no, they didn't.) No they didn’t I agree. But it was a revival of a famous 80’s show that everyone knows. So no comparison!! Dogfight, Half a Sixpense and Big Fish are all new shows to be reviewed for the very first time. (And yes I know Half a Sixpense was already a show). My point is and I will say it again for the third time. We have journalists going in to review shows who don’t even like the genre of musical theatre - that is wrong. It was you, wasn't it, who wrote this? Just checking. |
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Post by adrianics on Dec 5, 2017 22:36:37 GMT
Just on the way back from seeing this tonight.
Way too emotional for a weeknight; I was not ready for that at all. Me and pretty much all of the audience in very real tears come the finale. I was genuinely taken aback by the twists in the tale so if like me you're not familiar with the material, please don't look it up.
Kelsey Grammar isn't the best singer but his charm is immeasurable and his performance unbearably effective and poignant, a truly great performance. Jamie Muscato is exhausting to watch and is surely a bonafide star in the making.
The direction was very clever and slick, and the production as a whole is truly impressive. What a wonderful way to spend an evening!
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Post by popcultureboy on Dec 6, 2017 10:13:33 GMT
My point is that Dogfight at the Southwark Playhouse was slated beyond belief by some feminist reviewers and I thought it was one of the best musicals I’ve ever seen in my life. Sorry to drag this off topic again, but I just did a google search for reviews of Dogfight at Southwark and only found one review that whines about the misogyny ruining the piece and even that awarded the show 3 stars. The other reviews I found were all raves which pointed out that while the premise is gross, the show actually subverts the misogyny, rather than celebrates it. I think the bigger problem for Big Fish and the reviews was nothing to do with lefty feminist propaganda, and everything to do with the fact that a lot of British critics find this kind of heavily sentimental American show unbearable. Stripped of the spectacle that dominated the Broadway production, it made it the prime focus. Unfortunate. |
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Post by mallardo on Dec 6, 2017 17:35:19 GMT
everything to do with the fact that a lot of British critics find this kind of heavily sentimental American show unbearable Brits like to think a little more, maybe?
As a local rep for heavily sentimental America, TM, anything you can think I can think better. Yes I can.
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Post by mallardo on Dec 6, 2017 18:31:05 GMT
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 19:04:49 GMT
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera... So which one of you is baking a pie? |
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Post by doritxuuu on Dec 7, 2017 0:35:13 GMT
Just on the way back from seeing this tonight. Way too emotional for a weeknight; I was not ready for that at all. Me and pretty much all of the audience in very real tears come the finale. I was genuinely taken aback by the twists in the tale so if like me you're not familiar with the material, please don't look it up. Kelsey Grammar isn't the best singer but his charm is immeasurable and his performance unbearably effective and poignant, a truly great performance. Jamie Muscato is exhausting to watch and is surely a bonafide star in the making. The direction was very clever and slick, and the production as a whole is truly impressive. What a wonderful way to spend an evening! I was there last night as well and you really captured what I thought of the show and the experience. Absolutely loved how the audience got so emotional at the end. |
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Dec 7, 2017 0:47:45 GMT
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Post by musicalmarge on Dec 7, 2017 0:47:45 GMT
I would love to see this again. Shame it’s not on for longer or doing any kind of day seats etc.
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Post by phantz on Dec 10, 2017 12:48:21 GMT
Saw Big Fish last night. Big drama at the end as an audience member in the second row required medical attention, to the point where the 'is there a doctor in the house' call went out Coincided with the very final scene of the show - the applause was cut short by Grammer and Masson and everyone told to leave the theatre. Grammer came out again and was visually concerned by what was going on.
Be interested to know if anyone has any further news regarding this - it certainly punctuated what was a well-received performance (no sniffles from me though)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:17:58 GMT
I swear issues with health is getting more and more common it feels. Its like when I went to Les Mis and someone had a heart attack in the interval. And then there is an audio on YouTube of at Wicked, during For Good, some audience member yelled continuously HELP, HELP because someone had got ill. Just me?
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Post by musicalmarge on Dec 11, 2017 1:13:54 GMT
I swear issues with health is getting more and more common it feels. Its like when I went to Les Mis and someone had a heart attack in the interval. And then there is an audio on YouTube of at Wicked, during For Good, some audience member yelled continuously HELP, HELP because someone had got ill. Just me? It’s just you and the fact that we now have social media I think. I’m sure people died watching Shakespeare 400 years ago at the original Globe. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 10:39:10 GMT
I’m sure people died watching Shakespeare 400 years ago at the original Globe. To be fair, during some of the Shakespeare productions I've seen 400 years later I thought I'd died. |
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Post by sf on Dec 11, 2017 16:42:58 GMT
I’m sure people died watching Shakespeare 400 years ago at the original Globe. To be fair, during some of the Shakespeare productions I've seen 400 years later I thought I'd died. I've sat through a couple where death would have been a welcome distraction. |
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Post by james1969 on Dec 20, 2017 20:58:08 GMT
Is there a cast recording available at the theatre and how much is it please ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 21:16:20 GMT
Is there a cast recording available at the theatre and how much is it please ? No cast recording yet, but I've heard through the grapevine they have/are recording one.  |
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Post by Being Alive on Dec 21, 2017 0:21:52 GMT
I think I'm regretting not seeing this. I reckon I could last minute this on Saturday, but is the general mood that it's worth it? It'll cost me £55 for a ticket and travel...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 2:20:19 GMT
I think I'm regretting not seeing this. I reckon I could last minute this on Saturday, but is the general mood that it's worth it? It'll cost me £55 for a ticket and travel... Do it. Do it. DO IT!! |
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Post by sophie92 on Dec 21, 2017 7:22:36 GMT
I think I'm regretting not seeing this. I reckon I could last minute this on Saturday, but is the general mood that it's worth it? It'll cost me £55 for a ticket and travel... I say go for it, I think it’s such a charming show! I think you’ll have to be quick with a decision though - there aren’t many tickets left at all! |
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Post by musicalmarge on Dec 21, 2017 7:54:16 GMT
I think I'm regretting not seeing this. I reckon I could last minute this on Saturday, but is the general mood that it's worth it? It'll cost me £55 for a ticket and travel... I say go for it, I think it’s such a charming show! I think you’ll have to be quick with a decision though - there aren’t many tickets left at all! Just go. I thought it was glorious. |
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Post by ruperto on Dec 21, 2017 8:19:59 GMT
Yes, I'd say: definitely go if you can get a ticket (I'm sure there are quite a few returns at this time of year).
I saw this last Saturday night and have been meaning to come on here to say how fantastic it was.
I'm a bit fussy about musicals, and can be a little bit Grinch-like (while I admired the staging etc of the Old Vic's A Christmas Carol, it didn't particularly move me), but Big Fish had me dabbing away tears pretty much from the off. For me, it was a 4 to 5 star show. I took a party of eight to see it, and was feeling nervous after the reviews, but the moment it started, I knew it was all going to be ok (well, more than ok). It's such an incredibly inventive show, and the cast is fabulous. I'm hoping it gets another life in some form after this run ends, though perhaps the reviews have kiboshed that? I suspect word of mouth has been very good...
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Post by Anniek on Dec 21, 2017 8:22:09 GMT
I loved it! Music in amazing, acting good, staging nice. yep I thought this was really good
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 8:26:39 GMT
I think I'm regretting not seeing this. I reckon I could last minute this on Saturday, but is the general mood that it's worth it? It'll cost me £55 for a ticket and travel... Personally I'm much more likely to regret missing a show than not seeing a show, and whatever you ultimately think of this show itself, no one can deny that the cast and the design team are operating at the top of their game. More importantly though, do you have £55? If you'd have to plunge yourself into debt or go without food for a few days, skip it. But if £55 is do-able, just more than you'd ideally like to spend, then why not? |
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Post by dazzlair on Dec 21, 2017 10:32:12 GMT
I think I'm regretting not seeing this. I reckon I could last minute this on Saturday, but is the general mood that it's worth it? It'll cost me £55 for a ticket and travel... If you can afford it, please do go. I went in not knowing a thing about it apart from it being about fathers and sons and had "Frasier" in it. I came out exhilarated and moved. Every other person around us had tears streaming down their faces. The last 10 minutes were the most memorable piece of theatre I've witnessed in a long time. It really is as glorious as everyone says. |
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Post by Being Alive on Dec 21, 2017 11:39:38 GMT
I’m usually the same in regretting not seeing something. The ticket I was going to buy has gone, but I might ring the box office and see what they’ve got...
thanks for the feedback - I have the money but didn’t want to waste it if the general mood was it probably wasn’t worth it!
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