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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:00:05 GMT
Doesn't have anything to do with her though. The first one was screwed up by the producers, and this one just didn't seem very exciting to begin with. Yes I am aware. Was mostly a pun, the more superstitious may notice a trend. You should be PUNished for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:02:33 GMT
Seems like this show came out of nowhere as well. No one had heard of it and all of a sudden they announced a tour that was going to start like 6 months later. Seemed to go quite fast (of course they probably did a lot of prep behind the scenes). But I always felt that for big productions, more time passed between the announcement and the actual production. Any experts here know how much time usually goes into putting something like this on?
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 10, 2017 18:15:11 GMT
This was madness from the beginning, why would 10.000 people flock to a unknown show, it isn't like they had Bette Midler.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 10, 2017 18:24:46 GMT
It's no surprise, barely a ticket was sold, the PR was almost non existent and was no buzz about it at all, but feel so sad for those involved who've grafted through weeks of rehearsals and in return get told of its demise in an email and.are told "no wage payments will be made tomorrow". How Christian...
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Post by shady23 on Nov 10, 2017 18:32:29 GMT
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Post by BGLowe on Nov 10, 2017 21:44:41 GMT
My mum’s friend’s husband is one of the people involved with Eden International. He told us about a year ago he had some money to put into a new musical. He’s previously worked in IT. I was under the impression that all, if not most, of the people involved with setting this up are simply involved in the church. I’m not surprised this has happened as he has no experience at all in musicals! What a disaster for the cast and crew.
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Post by Seriously on Nov 11, 2017 0:48:05 GMT
I mean, lets be honest, I wouldn't book for it just yet guys. It really does seem the kind of thing that is announced, has two months of quietness, then announces a cancellation a few months before due to begin due to low ticket sales. Because this is very ambitious of them, a new musical in an arena. The names of Kerry, Ramin, Victoria and Norman couldn't even sell out the tiny Arts Theatre for Murder Ballad, so they are deluded if they think her name will sell this show too! And lo, it came to pass.... |
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Post by actorsinger on Nov 11, 2017 9:36:30 GMT
SUrely a tax dodge. “Springtime for Adam and Eve”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 11:15:07 GMT
I mean, lets be honest, I wouldn't book for it just yet guys. It really does seem the kind of thing that is announced, has two months of quietness, then announces a cancellation a few months before due to begin due to low ticket sales. Because this is very ambitious of them, a new musical in an arena. The names of Kerry, Ramin, Victoria and Norman couldn't even sell out the tiny Arts Theatre for Murder Ballad, so they are deluded if they think her name will sell this show too! OMGOSH. DJ14 is psychic! Quick! What are tonight's lottery numbers? |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 11, 2017 11:21:59 GMT
I am somewhat amazed that they were going to be having 12 weeks of rehearsal on this. 9 weeks already plus 3 weeks to the now-cancelled opening night.
I was reading in Sardines that the current tour of Legally had 3 weeks in the rehearsal room - and so 12 weeks sounds like an extraordinary amount of time.
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Post by boybooshka on Nov 11, 2017 11:28:16 GMT
This was madness from the beginning, why would 10.000 people flock to a unknown show, it isn't like they had Bette Midler. They were apparently still trying to negotiate a deal for her to play the apple. They fully expected "Bite Me" to be the breakout hit of the year  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 11:56:58 GMT
I am somewhat amazed that they were going to be having 12 weeks of rehearsal on this. 9 weeks already plus 3 weeks to the now-cancelled opening night. I was reading in Sardines that the current tour of Legally had 3 weeks in the rehearsal room - and so 12 weeks sounds like an extraordinary amount of time. Yeah that does sound very long. The 3 weeks for Legally Blonde is probably mostly because all the direction choices had been figured out in the previous productions. Heaven on Earth was completely new. Still sounds like 4 weeks too long though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 12:35:51 GMT
The original "Miss Saigon" only had 8 weeks. Yeah, I think that's about the standard for brand new shows. Although Never Forget had only 4 weeks. But let's not compare that show with Miss Saigon  |
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Post by firefingers on Nov 11, 2017 12:37:19 GMT
12 weeks is rather insane. Most small to medium shows are 4ish weeks (sometimes shorter. Blood Brothers tour often does 3 days as most of the company has done it before). The only shows I'd expect to have a period that long would be shows like Hamilton where they know they have a hit. Think Harry Potter was 24 weeks, which is two shows and includes tech weeks, so surely had greater time requirements.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 11, 2017 12:46:23 GMT
Even more worrying, it's still on sale on the Wembley Arena official website. Just for fun, I tried it and found I could still get centre row A seats even months after they opened booking... That that the front row was even still available after months of being on sale says everything. |
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Post by ptwest on Nov 11, 2017 12:59:21 GMT
Based on the Sheffield ticket sales, maybe Kerry could visit the ticket holders in person to make up for the disappointment? Shouldn't take more than a hour or so.
It is never nice to see a production fail but this did seem doomed from the start. Incredibly ambitious - with that cast they maybe could have made a go of it in smaller venues. I would imagine the arena setting would have put a lot of people off.
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Post by welsh_tenor on Nov 11, 2017 13:20:07 GMT
Could they pull this off?! Sounds a great idea!
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Post by firefingers on Nov 11, 2017 13:34:19 GMT
Could they pull this off?! Sounds a great idea! It's a nonstarter. The performers don't have the rights to the show, these would probably be in the hands of the liquidatiom company as an asset to sell or in the hands of the writers who probably don't want their work displayed in a quickie concert they have no creative control over. The cost of running these things is mammoth even if they got the venue for free. Ushers, technical staff, ticketing, security, sound/lx equipment hire... those one nighters of shows tend to make a loss and are there as a show case for producers and investors. And with all that, given no one bought a ticket to begin with, the hope of selling any for a concert version is still pretty small. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 13:39:39 GMT
If the tickets were cheap, and they offered a free ticket or a discount to those who already planned on going to the tour, then sure, it could do a small venue. I'd go if it was cheap, just out of intrigue more than anything.
Also, on the topic of Kerry, she's got her 20th Anniversary tour next year, so at least she can add a few more dates to that now dependant on availibility of venue!
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Post by daniel on Nov 11, 2017 13:55:42 GMT
The other issue with Sundays of course is that Front & Back of House staff tend to be on double time, further increasing the cost. As awful as the whole situation is, I can't see any commercial theatre giving them a Sunday for free, just out of the good of their hearts.
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Post by longinthetooth on Nov 11, 2017 14:50:48 GMT
If this had been in a theatre, I would probably have gone to see it - but arena tour? Not a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 15:04:01 GMT
Could they pull this off?! Sounds a great idea! It's a nonstarter. The performers don't have the rights to the show, these would probably be in the hands of the liquidatiom company as an asset to sell or in the hands of the writers who probably don't want their work displayed in a quickie concert they have no creative control over. The cost of running these things is mammoth even if they got the venue for free. Ushers, technical staff, ticketing, security, sound/lx equipment hire... those one nighters of shows tend to make a loss and are there as a show case for producers and investors. And with all that, given no one bought a ticket to begin with, the hope of selling any for a concert version is still pretty small. Pretty much- it's a rights issue, otherwise some other producer could potentially have swooped in and given them a short run/theatre run. I do think though more people would have thought 'I'll give it a go' if it was in a theatre. I know I avoid arenas like the plague no matter what is on in them for a start. That said, a one off concert for the cast (singing whatever just like a normal MT concert) isn't a bad idea, and there's enough 'profile' in the cast do do a one-nighter of that sort. |
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Post by shady23 on Nov 11, 2017 15:59:33 GMT
The theatre would probably sell out from theatre friends alone but the other costs would be too high, unfortunately. An in-concert type event is a good idea.
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Post by daniel on Nov 11, 2017 16:23:19 GMT
The daft thing is, they were only using about 1/10 of the whole arena anyway. Literally just the bit at the end with the "horseshoe" of seats, and maybe one block on the side sections, with the floor. So they probably didn't have many more seats than they would've had in a theatre, just with the added expense of paying for an arena.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 11, 2017 16:44:09 GMT
Hotly articulated?
Is that even a thing?
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