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Post by profquatermass on Oct 25, 2017 11:41:13 GMT
Interesting to see people's definition of adolescent. The interview appears to be in his late 20s at least (I'd guess 30) and has a child (yes, I looked him up on Facebook). When do you consider someone old enough to have their own opinions? I don’t know anything about him or have any views on his opinions – I thought his question was a funny and unwittingly a bit rude example of how your perception of age changes as you age (which is why I thought he came across as very young). “Hey grandad, is this going to be your last job? Cos, you know, you’re over 60, you’ll probably be dead soon.” That ok with you, youngster? <insert winking smiley to indicate joke, which obv I'm too old to know how to do>I'm getting on for 60 and thought it a completely reasonable question. Can't decide whether I'm completely immature or just looking forward to retirement a bit too much |
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Post by lynette on Oct 25, 2017 12:17:10 GMT
Jan, for you:
Programme says that he was approached to write libretto for comic opera about Marx. Idea from Jurgen Weber via Jonathan Dove. The libretto will be by Charles Hart and set 20years apart from this play but doesn’t say exactly so I am assuming when Marx is older.. It will be called Marx in London and open next year in Bonn.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 12:30:52 GMT
I don’t know anything about him or have any views on his opinions – I thought his question was a funny and unwittingly a bit rude example of how your perception of age changes as you age (which is why I thought he came across as very young). “Hey grandad, is this going to be your last job? Cos, you know, you’re over 60, you’ll probably be dead soon.” That ok with you, youngster? <insert winking smiley to indicate joke, which obv I'm too old to know how to do>I'm getting on for 60 and thought it a completely reasonable question. Can't decide whether I'm completely immature or just looking forward to retirement a bit too much I'm both looking forward to retirement and despairing of ever getting there! It just struck me as funny - wasn't intended to be terribly ageist. |
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Post by lynette on Oct 25, 2017 12:32:51 GMT
By the way, the configuration for Julius Caesar is different with standing in the so called pit. Forgive me if we already know this. And price for best seats for this are £90. I thought this was a bit much so went for cheaper later in the season as cheaper pretty well sold.
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Post by dani on Oct 25, 2017 12:39:49 GMT
Interesting to see people's definition of adolescent. The interview appears to be in his late 20s at least (I'd guess 30) and has a child (yes, I looked him up on Facebook). When do you consider someone old enough to have their own opinions? I would guess he is in fact closer to forty than thirty. His linkedin shows that he left university in 2002. |
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Post by foxa on Oct 25, 2017 19:36:52 GMT
Ah - that feeling when you discover that at least some of the tickets you have booked are in green on Theatremonkey. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 19:48:48 GMT
Well I came in here to see if there were any interesting comments on the play, I have discovered through in-depth analysis of Andrezej Lukowski's interview that if he's an adolescent then I must be an actual child! (from our vague acquaintance, and some educated guesswork I'd say he's 37ish just FYI) But nice to see nobody under 50 is entitled to an opinion.
Anyway nice to hear the theatre is nice and the loos are in working order...
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Post by Jon on Oct 25, 2017 22:33:46 GMT
Spent a lovely morning at the theatre today, had a good look round (counted the loo cubicles too). Full theatremonkey report - with photographic walking route from the tube station, too, is now online on my site. There are some fantastic value seats - the top balcony centre row C is amazing, so are the lower balcony sides closest to the stage, I think. I sat it in Row B in the high seats in Gallery 1 and it's good value although there was a few occasional restrictions but for 15 quid, you can't go wrong. The More London street which is a little further from the theatre does have a good number of restaurants, I went to Strada but there is plenty of choices to choose from. |
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Post by Peach on Oct 26, 2017 11:51:01 GMT
Gender neutral?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 11:57:00 GMT
Yes the correct term for describing toilets (or other inanimate things related...) is 'Gender Neutral'. If you're referring to a person 'Transwoman' or 'Transman' or 'Transperson'. Some people have other preferred descriptors such as 'Non Binary' or 'Genderqueer'. But generally 'Trans' is fine unless told otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 19:44:57 GMT
The problem with the recent rise of gender neutral toilets in theatres is that they aren't. The theatres want to appear like they're doing the right thing, but they've still got toilets-with-urinals denoted by stick-figure-in-trousers and toilets-without-urinals denoted by stick-figure-in-skirt. I guess it helps NBs and recent transitions feel seen, but until they just go "these are the toilets, no stick figures or different hardware, use 'em or piss yourself", the gender neutrality of toilets will always be a half-hearted affair. And considering how much quicker urinal users are than cubicle users, we are a looooong way off from genuinely gender neutral toilets (apart from the single tatty cubicle at the old Union theatre, that was truly unisex).
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Post by Jon on Oct 26, 2017 20:50:27 GMT
The problem with the recent rise of gender neutral toilets in theatres is that they aren't. The theatres want to appear like they're doing the right thing, but they've still got toilets-with-urinals denoted by stick-figure-in-trousers and toilets-without-urinals denoted by stick-figure-in-skirt. I guess it helps NBs and recent transitions feel seen, but until they just go "these are the toilets, no stick figures or different hardware, use 'em or piss yourself", the gender neutrality of toilets will always be a half-hearted affair. And considering how much quicker urinal users are than cubicle users, we are a looooong way off from genuinely gender neutral toilets (apart from the single tatty cubicle at the old Union theatre, that was truly unisex). I’d welcome sacrifing urinals for more cubicles but I imagine it’s more expensive to maintain |
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Post by tmesis on Oct 26, 2017 20:57:33 GMT
The 'new' Union toilets are positively sumptuous, worthy of a boutique hotel.
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Post by Jon on Oct 27, 2017 1:16:14 GMT
Hytner and Starr did an interview for the Stage and they mentioned they rejected a site because the walk from the tube to this location was unpleasant, the only clue they gave was it was a riverside location that will be fantastic in 20 years time.
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Post by Jan on Oct 27, 2017 3:46:29 GMT
Hytner and Starr did an interview for the Stage and they mentioned they rejected a site because the walk from the tube to this location was unpleasant, the only clue they gave was it was a riverside location that will be fantastic in 20 years time. Must be south of the river with a big development going on. Battersea probably. |
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Post by showgirl on Oct 27, 2017 4:48:44 GMT
Ah - that feeling when you discover that at least some of the tickets you have booked are in green on Theatremonkey. ;-) Ditto! Though as I booked one of those slightly-less-substantial-but-on-the-aisle-and-cheaper stalls seats, I had reasonable expectations of the view, if not the comfort, and given the comments about the slow exit from the auditorium, I will be on my marks come the interval and end. My only (slight) concern now is that by booking so far ahead, I may have paid too much, but it's probably a fair exchange for the above benefits. |
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Post by purple12 on Oct 27, 2017 6:37:05 GMT
Ah - that feeling when you discover that at least some of the tickets you have booked are in green on Theatremonkey. ;-) Ditto! Though as I booked one of those slightly-less-substantial-but-on-the-aisle-and-cheaper stalls seats, I had reasonable expectations of the view, if not the comfort, and given the comments about the slow exit from the auditorium, I will be on my marks come the interval and end. My only (slight) concern now is that by booking so far ahead, I may have paid too much, but it's probably a fair exchange for the above benefits. I went on Weds and sat in one of those seats in the stalls on the aisle that are ‘fold-down’. Was very good for view and absolutely fine for comfort (I’m a short 5’2” but being on the aisle also meant a bit more space). Don’t think I’d necessarily want to sit through Angels in America for two consecutive parts but i’d definitely book them again |
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 27, 2017 7:03:39 GMT
They are, and well thought out - "in" and "out" doors are separate, and the "ladies / unisex" in the stalls has extra queue space inside Ladies slash unisex? *F&(^&%^H(()_()*&LL* |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:08:18 GMT
Having not been to the Bridge yet, I'm working off what I've seen in reviews. oughttobeclowns.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/thoughts-on-visit-to-bridge-theatre.html And that looks like a trouser-wearing stick man to me. All the combined symbol really says when used in conjunction with other symbols - be they stick figures or Mars/Venus or whatever else - is "we want you to feel welcome at our theatre if you don't fit into any sort of gender binary", but the toilets are still binary. It's a gesture, nothing more. And there's nothing fundamentally wrong with a well-meaning gesture, but if you want me to admire your commitment to gender neutral toilets, then you need to actually make gender neutral toilets. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:38:55 GMT
I know it's a bit selfish, but I like women-only toilets...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:51:46 GMT
In fairness to the theatres, I think they're aiming for trans-inclusive - presumably at least partially in reponse to the US bathroom bans - rather than fully gender-neutral. So it's a bit lame for people who identify as non-binary, but it does reassure someone who has transitioned/is transitioning (and maybe isn't that confident) that the theatre will have their back if some idiot punter decides it's more important to police the toilets than to just let people pee in peace.
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Post by Latecomer on Oct 27, 2017 9:03:16 GMT
Get rid of urinals, call them all "Toilets" and job done! We make it so complicated these days! We would soon get used to the change!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 9:05:47 GMT
In fairness to the theatres, I think they're aiming for trans-inclusive - presumably at least partially in reponse to the US bathroom bans - rather than fully gender-neutral. So it's a bit lame for people who identify as non-binary, but it does reassure someone who has transitioned/is transitioning (and maybe isn't that confident) that the theatre will have their back if some idiot punter decides it's more important to police the toilets than to just let people pee in peace. Yes and I think that's a really big and great step. Because really it's not about the erm logistics of peeing where (got want of a better phrase) it's about "The management here have your back if some idiot decides to decide for you where you pee" It's also all part of a process- nowhere is going to magically figure out all the inclusivity over night (for established buildings/organisations more so rather than new ones like The Bridge who at least are starting fresh) but if people can see a commitment to trying to be supportive/welcoming well that's a good start. |
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Post by Jan on Oct 27, 2017 9:17:15 GMT
I know it's a bit selfish, but I like women-only toilets... No it’s not selfish, it’s just a different view. If the toilets were genuinely gender-neutral you’d make one group of people feel more comfortable and another group less comfortable, for example several of my older relatives, some Muslim women, the people who complained quite vociferously when the Barbican moved in this direction and so on. As individuals we may choose to dismiss their views but a theatre trying to build an audience can’t afford to and hence some sort of a compromise which doesn’t satisfy fundamentalists on either side is inevitable - such a compromise represents genuine inclusivity. |
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Post by showgirl on Oct 27, 2017 11:26:07 GMT
Get rid of urinals, call them all "Toilets" and job done! We make it so complicated these days! We would soon get used to the change! Would soon sort out the current issue where women can spend the whole interval queuing for the loo whilst men walk straight in and then have time left for a drink/ice cream/chat, etc. |
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