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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 12, 2017 15:34:27 GMT
No mention of the alleged 13 major terrorist plots that have been foiled in the last year though? It does concern me how I accept collateral damage but then it's never me or mine that are affected. It is certainly more involved than a few glib comments on a message board so in retrospect I shall think before posting in future as everything affects someone somewhere. The security and police service do a terrific job, however when something does go wrong both these services often face the full wrath of the media. Also when they do foil a plot, it can often be dismissed as a cynical ploy to justify war in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 15:50:53 GMT
I dont' think anyone started or commented on the post to be offensive. There's two sides to increased security- the side that is concerned with disruption to the show through drunk customers/people filming/people smuggling in an entire Pizza Hut Buffet that theatres are concerned about to different degrees. Then there's also the (I think we can all agree) reality of life that anywhere COULD be a terrorist target and high profile/high density areas are indeed targets.
I don't think anyone here has crossed any line of 'decency' whichever side they've discussed.
To get back on track, there's also the 'invisible' security at theatres we don't see- especially in larger venues like the NT, Barbican, WMC and others, which is all the monitoring of the building, patrolling and general safety stuff the security personnel do- it's more than just bag searches. And again, if it stops one person getting hurt well it's certainly not really hurting the rest of us.
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Mar 12, 2017 15:59:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 15:59:27 GMT
the thing is your original post said 'There is solid evidence that London's entertainment industry could be attacked ' and there is NO evidence to suggest this. Sighting the Paris and Orlando killings is not 'solid evidence' is subjective evidence We all scoff at Trump banning Muslims for certain countries from the US as the lack of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam on their soil. what is the difference here? because the is no evidence there will be an attack on a theatre and i wonder sensiblness of discussing how many people u could take out in a theatre or which shows would get the most publicity from an attack vs the anxiety such discussions will cause some people (maybe just me)...... Isn't that solid enough evidence? I mean both are events that people paid admission to attend, I could've also included a soccer match in Paris. So not subjective but objective as it is a matter of fact. In my first paragraph I did say terrorism means fear. No it's not! In no way is ur opinion solid evidence, it's your oppinion. This is the world we r living where one persons oppinion becomes fact |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 19:36:49 GMT
I'm a bit confused why we're arguing about the likelihood of an attack and whether that's offensive to people. Terrorism by its very nature is offensive, but unfortunately we seem to be stuck with it for the foreseeable.
Surely the evidence so far suggests that those who wish us harm generally target places where people 1) gather together and 2) can't escape easily. Shopping centres, modes of transport, schools and, yes, entertainment venues, whether that's a football stadium or a nightclub.
We see it time and again, whether it's Islamist terrorists, the IRA or even that misfit at the US school with the weaponry he really shouldn't have access to.
The fact that security occasionally gets ramped up in theatres, dies down and then gets ramped up again certainly suggests that their teams are taking advice from the police/security services. So unfortunately I'd say yes, they probably are a target.
The best we can do is trust the security services, hope it doesn't happen to us, and keep going about our daily business. The theatres still seem pretty full so I don't think the population are exactly cowering in fear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 7:29:14 GMT
I mean I never said, nor try to ever say, the dreaded 'offensive' just that it is no evidence to suggest there will be one on a theatre and u are MUCH more likely to be raped by ur own children than be caught up in one at a theatre. Guessing which theatre would get most publicity is just weird and distasful although would be quite interesting to find out if the people that have mentioned this will be looked into by the authorities more closely, as is the world we now live
But of course this is the internet and I'm fully aware nothing on it is based in truth or evidence or reality or sanity. Just a group of would be sensible people thrown over to hysterics (myself frequently included)
But I've said this several times
I mean no harm to others but this is getting to me. U can hide other posters, can we hide threads do we know?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 13, 2017 7:57:36 GMT
I mean no harm to others but this is getting to me. U can hide other posters, can we hide threads do we know? No, that's not possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 8:28:25 GMT
I mean no harm to others but this is getting to me. U can hide other posters, can we hide threads do we know? No, that's not possible. sh*te |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:35:05 GMT
I want to say you can turn off notifications for a particular thread, then you just have to avoid it and you'll never be any the wiser what's going on inside. Worth investigating?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 25, 2017 7:48:09 GMT
Interesting to review this thread in the light of Manchester.
For those who have been to the theatre this week, or any other types of entertain,ent venue for that matter has there been any change in security procedures?
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Post by Dan213 on May 25, 2017 9:38:37 GMT
Interesting to review this thread in the light of Manchester. For those who have been to the theatre this week, or any other types of entertain,ent venue for that matter has there been any change in security procedures? Saw this on Twitter yesterday: |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:46:13 GMT
After the Paris bombing, the day after they stopped entry to the Upper Circle via the street, at Beautiful, so we had to use the door next to the box office instead, to ensure everyone was searched.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:47:49 GMT
I had a thought last night, whilst trying to sleep... they should really start searching people who leave the theatre during the interval.
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Post by michalnowicki on May 25, 2017 11:18:38 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 25, 2017 11:51:29 GMT
No search at all at Regent's Park Open Air yesterday. I had a massive carrier bag of blankets with me - could have held anything, and a smaller bag, and they cheerily just scanned our tickets and we walked in. No security on the exit gate either, just the usual staff wishing us a good evening. Loads of people in the road... But we have armed police outside Buckingham Palace apparently. I mean, really? |
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Post by d'James on May 25, 2017 13:12:01 GMT
No search at all at Regent's Park Open Air yesterday. I had a massive carrier bag of blankets with me - could have held anything, and a smaller bag, and they cheerily just scanned our tickets and we walked in. No security on the exit gate either, just the usual staff wishing us a good evening. Loads of people in the road... Last year when I was at Jesus Christ Superstar I worried about the security - I might've mentioned it on here. I've been worried a lot about it since the Bataclan really. One of my friend's says 'there's lots going on behind the scenes,' but if they're not even checking bags as you enter, that's hardly reassuring. I know the attacker on Monday night was in the foyer at the end of a pop concert but I do wonder how this could be improved at Theatres. |
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Post by d'James on May 25, 2017 14:07:07 GMT
I do wonder how this could be improved at Theatres. Make sure the foyers are "exit only" and also that the pavements directly around the exits are monitored from just before the crowd leaves. Yes. Definitely. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 16:22:19 GMT
Any additional security measures being taken in and around the West End theatres?
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Post by theatremadness on May 25, 2017 16:24:40 GMT
Any additional security measures being taken in and around the West End theatres? Quite a bit, I think. Certainly ATG & National have told patrons to arrive earlier than normal & expect more security/checks at their theatres. |
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Post by duncan on May 25, 2017 17:45:06 GMT
The NFL games at Wembley have adopted the same bag rules as they have in the States over the past couple of years, www.nfl.com/qs/allclear/index.jspI think that sooner or later this will be the template for bags at UK theatre shows. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 17:48:07 GMT
For anyone heading that way the security is really tights- basically one way in and out with barriers and searches. They were also only allowing ticket holders and those with passes in after a certain point we were told today. This was an overnight switch as yesterday all was open as normal. Really heavy police presence down there too. |
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Post by Dawnstar on May 25, 2017 17:52:23 GMT
I hope the National relax a bit by the time Follies opens. I'm worried about "Any bags larger than 40cm x 30cm x 15cm must be left in the cloakrooms". My handbag is bigger than that. It has to be to hold my lunchbox, water bottle & so on. I'm booked to see Follies on a Friday so have to come directly from work with all my stuff. I would be deeply unhappy at having to leave my handbag in a cloakroom with my purse, phone, etc. being in it. The NFL games at Wembley have adopted the same bag rules as they have in the States over the past couple of years, www.nfl.com/qs/allclear/index.jspI think that sooner or later this will be the template for bags at UK theatre shows. My God, I hope not. I'd never be able to go to a theatre again. If you don't live in London & are down there for the day you need to be able to bring a reasonably-sized handbag with you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 17:59:32 GMT
The NFL games at Wembley have adopted the same bag rules as they have in the States over the past couple of years, www.nfl.com/qs/allclear/index.jspI think that sooner or later this will be the template for bags at UK theatre shows. The NFL games at Wembley seem to have a rule where ladies can take in their purses and clutch bags, but have to put them first in an approved clear plastic bag, as if this will somehow miraculously make them safer - " Small clutch bags, approximately the size of a hand, with or without a handle or strap can be taken into the stadium with one of the clear plastic bags." I have serious doubts about the efficacy of security theatre - far better to prevent a would-be attacker from leaving their house with a bomb in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 18:03:26 GMT
No search at all at Regent's Park Open Air yesterday. I had a massive carrier bag of blankets with me - could have held anything, and a smaller bag, and they cheerily just scanned our tickets and we walked in. No security on the exit gate either, just the usual staff wishing us a good evening. Loads of people in the road... But we have armed police outside Buckingham Palace apparently. I mean, really? You could stroll through Leicester Square, Picadilly Circus, Oxford Street and so on, on almost any evening, and find a crowd pretty much as concentrated as Regent's Park Theatre. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 19:03:15 GMT
If I wanted to disrupt a crowd, the Open Air Theatre would be SO far down my list of priorities. I said it earlier in the thread, and I still genuinely believe that theatre's slightly unfortunate reputation for elitism will put theatres pretty far down the list of risky places to be. Absolutely let's have enhanced security at the bigger events, like Cursed Child or the National, but I honestly don't think there's much risk in, say, a regular Old Vic visitor knowing how to get in the building without using the front door.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 19:09:32 GMT
BFI Southbank:
They didn't previously have a cloakroom, as far as I'm aware.
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