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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 14:47:55 GMT
Re-listening to the score on Spotify - anyone else find How Could I Leave You quite similar to Last Midnight from Into the Woods? Sondheim. Same song. Different words. 'nuff said. |
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Post by horton on Aug 27, 2017 15:05:25 GMT
Assuming that's a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 15:23:32 GMT
Twitter comment is, still, overwhelmingly positive. Interesting, to say the ieast. The anti-Norris element has already made itself noticed here but that can't make the difference, surely?
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Post by foxa on Aug 27, 2017 18:49:07 GMT
I would be in the strongly recommend contingent on this one.
What I liked: It is highly theatrical - big, risk-taking, overblown at times - exciting and unexpected. The costumes, particularly for Loveland, are extraordinary. There were a number of just 'wow' moments( Who's that Woman; Josephine Barstow, The Story of Lucy and Jessie, Could I Leave You.) Tracie Bennett left nothing back in the dressing room on 'I'm Still Here' - and was also very alive, entertaining and interesting in all of her sections. I liked the use of the revolve and felt that the leads were working towards something deep and interesting (I thought 'The Right Girl' was intense.) The use of the younger selves was powerful and moving.
Not so sure: At the moment (and this is still in previews) the effort of some of the performances is still obvious. As good as Imelda was (her version of 'Losing My Mind' is excellent), I think she was miscast in this role and her scenes with Quast just didn't quite work. The ending is abrupt and odd. The book doesn't match the lyrics (which are endlessly inventive.) This was particularly obvious at the very end of the play. But then I thought some of my quibbles were my trying to shoehorn this into being a typical musical when it's more of an expressionist/George Grosz of a musical - these people aren't likeable - they are rather monstrous.
But we had a great time and, if the opportunity came up, would go again. We didn't find the running time a big problem, but agree with someone earlier who said the audience was flagging at about the 1.50 mark, but then there was a big ovation at the end. In terms of seats, we were in Row J of the raised side section of the stalls - the seats were excellent value at £28.
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Post by michalnowicki on Aug 27, 2017 19:20:29 GMT
Quick quiz, what do the following songs have in common, apart from being by Sondheim and from Follies? Ah but Underneath, Who's That Woman, One More Kiss, Could I Leave You?, Don't Look at Me, It Wasn't Meant to Happen, Listen to the Rain on the Roof, Beautiful Girls, In Buddy's Eyes, You're Gonna Love Tomorrow, The Story of Lucy and Jessie, The God Why Don't You Love Me Blues, Pleasant Little Kingdom, I'm Still Here. Clue - the order is important. From yesterday, quotes above, I was sure that somebody would know the answer straight away. Another clue, reading theatremadness' great review might jog your memory..... Is it: {Spoiler - click to view}
all of them are titles of episodes of Desperate Housewives? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 19:30:17 GMT
Goddamn, could Tracie be coming for Rachel John's Olivier at this point?!
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Post by allthatjazz on Aug 27, 2017 20:17:27 GMT
How dare you. Wash your mouth out! Speak ill of Queen Imelda all you wish but how VERY DARE anyone touch the Olivier Drum. (No really don't touch it'll fall apart). Thanks for the reviews everyone. Damn my poor life planning and that I'm not seeing it until 29th December. I'll be there the same night! Sadly, I'm from the U.S. so there's no hope of my seeing it earlier. Living vicariously through everyone else's reviews for now! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 20:26:09 GMT
Goddamn, could Tracie be coming for Rachel John's Olivier at this point?! Angelica is a bigger and better role than Carlotta. Tracie will no doubt get a nomination, but this is the year of Hamilton. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 21:19:21 GMT
From yesterday, quotes above, I was sure that somebody would know the answer straight away. Another clue, reading theatremadness' great review might jog your memory..... Is it: {Spoiler - click to view}
all of them are titles of episodes of Desperate Housewives? Correct! All of them are the names of episodes of Desperate Housewives (theatremadness mentioned Wisteria Lane, the street at its centre). Most episodes are names after a musical theatre song or lyric, the vast majority being by Sondheim. |
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Post by alicechallice on Aug 27, 2017 21:28:03 GMT
Goddamn, could Tracie be coming for Rachel John's Olivier at this point?! Who she? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 21:33:59 GMT
Goddamn, could Tracie be coming for Rachel John's Olivier at this point?! Who she? Rachel is playing Anjelica in Hamilton from November. It is the kind of role that wins awards, and it is kinda predicted by many on here that she will win that one because she is an amazing talent anyway, added to a winning kind of role, she is kinda the expected favourite before the show has even opened.  |
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Post by nash16 on Aug 27, 2017 22:43:17 GMT
Twitter comment is, still, overwhelmingly positive. Interesting, to say the ieast. The anti-Norris element has already made itself noticed here but that can't make the difference, surely? Twitter is not the place to go for honest theatre reviews. It is the place to say that you've seen a show and loved it and get some likes and retweets. Rarely to say "well, that was a disappointing evening I just had everybody who follows me." (Note how many Likes a positive review on here gets, as opposed to a negative one.) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 23:07:41 GMT
Twitter comment is, still, overwhelmingly positive. Interesting, to say the ieast. The anti-Norris element has already made itself noticed here but that can't make the difference, surely? Twitter is not the place to go for honest theatre reviews. It is the place to show off that you've seen a show and loved it. Rarely to say "well, that was a disappointing evening I just had everybody who follows me." Twitter is honest because people aren't primarily seeking to broadcast opinions widely, they have to be searched for. Not just twitter anyway, look around more widely. People tend to like positive reviews because happiness is shared whereas misery is individual. Negative comments also have a sheen of trying to negate other people's enjoyment. |
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Post by callum on Aug 27, 2017 23:17:01 GMT
Yes, I'd be much happier to tweet that I enjoyed or really liked something than the opposite. Whether it's a film, play, article etc someone has worked really hard on it and it's just a shame to spread negativity publicly. Here, thought I think it's different as it's a discussion devoted to the topic in question.
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Post by nash16 on Aug 27, 2017 23:30:53 GMT
Yes, this is interesting actually:
How many on this board would say they've tweeted about a show if they've felt negatively about it?
And if not, what were their reasons for not tweeting?
(Especially those who've not loved Follies: what did you write on Twitter after the show, or did you choose not to tweet?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 23:30:59 GMT
Yes, I'd be much happier to tweet that I enjoyed or really liked something than the opposite. Whether it's a film, play, article etc someone has worked really hard on it and it's just a shame to spread negativity publicly. Here, thought I think it's different as it's a discussion devoted to the topic in question. If you don't think this is public, you'd be surprised! That's why mods get edgy about certain topics and comments. Twitter is the most negative space you can imagine, it isn't magically different for theatre, as could be seen with Common, Tale of Two Cities etc. Most people can't be bothered to write lengthy posts so 140 characters is more egalitarian, I've found. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 23:41:26 GMT
I have never talked negatively about a show on twitter, or any of the performers really. I would never want to hurt the feelings of any performers or teams should they see it. This is a discussion board where we discuss shows, whereas twitter is alot more personal and the performers can see it. And also fans of any show come to the defence and then there is more of a chance the performer sees it and it can cause upset. I like to be positive on twitter generally, and alot of performers I admire in performance and personality have been lovely.
The only show I have written negatively about on twitter is Wonderland, because of that dick of a producer. But that didn't hurt any feelings, as alot of people are aware of his foolishness, even he is. And several of the shows performers liked my tweets and replies to their comments haha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 0:03:55 GMT
Follies will surely get a West End transfer and must be an Olivier contender with the caliber of it's cast and the great reviews it is getting.
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Post by d'James on Aug 28, 2017 3:58:27 GMT
Yes, this is interesting actually: How many on this board would say they've tweeted about a show if they've felt negatively about it? And if not, what were their reasons for not tweeting? (Especially those who've not loved Follies: what did you write on Twitter after the show, or did you choose not to tweet?) ¿Qué? |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Aug 28, 2017 6:09:01 GMT
Follies will surely get a West End transfer and must be an Olivier contender with the caliber of it's cast and the great reviews it is getting. [ Slightly naïve statement. The Olivier stage is huge and it's very hard to transfer a show from there to a west end theatre- unless say Drury Lane becomes available. Follies is not a show that will sell out a 2000+ seat theatre. Plus it is eligible for The Oliviers anyway playing at the NT. doesn't need to transfer to be eligible. Plus it hasn't yet received critics reviews.. only 'reviews' of twitterers |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Aug 28, 2017 6:10:50 GMT
Rachel is playing Anjelica in Hamilton from November. It is the kind of role that wins awards, and it is kinda predicted by many on here that she will win that one because she is an amazing talent anyway, added to a winning kind of role, she is kinda the expected favourite before the show has even opened. Interested to know who has won awards so far for playing this role- and at what awards? |
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Post by RedRose on Aug 28, 2017 6:40:15 GMT
Yes, this is interesting actually: How many on this board would say they've tweeted about a show if they've felt negatively about it? And if not, what were their reasons for not tweeting? (Especially those who've not loved Follies: what did you write on Twitter after the show, or did you choose not to tweet?) I don't tweet after every show. Sometimes I have no opportunity, sometimes I am not in the mood. But I do certainly tweet both, positive and negative. Although I would never shame an individual person directly into their face, e.g. by mentioning them with their twitter name. And I cannot lie into peoples faces how much I liked it and how they were amazing, so in those cases I don't got to the stage door.
If I write more about individual bad performances I usually do that on Facebook with a private setting.
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Post by dlevi on Aug 28, 2017 6:57:46 GMT
Yes, this is interesting actually: How many on this board would say they've tweeted about a show if they've felt negatively about it? And if not, what were their reasons for not tweeting? (Especially those who've not loved Follies: what did you write on Twitter after the show, or did you choose not to tweet?) I don't tweet after every show. Sometimes I have no opportunity, sometimes I am not in the mood. But I do certainly tweet both, positive and negative. Although I would never shame an individual person directly into their face, e.g. by mentioning them with their twitter name. And I cannot lie into peoples faces how much I liked it and how they were amazing, so in those cases I don't got to the stage door.
If I write more about individual bad performances I usually do that on Facebook with a private setting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 8:18:10 GMT
Yes, this is interesting actually: How many on this board would say they've tweeted about a show if they've felt negatively about it? And if not, what were their reasons for not tweeting? (Especially those who've not loved Follies: what did you write on Twitter after the show, or did you choose not to tweet?) I can't speak to Follies having not seen it. Indirectly I will tweet about shows I haven't enjoyed when reviews of mine are linked to my twitter so sometimes engage in twitter conversations about it. However I would never directly tweet 'x show is awful and z person is awful in it' because it's not the medium for it- being so short in character length etc. And I kind of take the approach of 'would I say this to someone's face who is in the show' we all know actors, creatives etc twitter search their names, and I wouldn't be comfortable in the 'out of context' manner 140 characters would be taken. If I REALLY hate a show and I haven't posted exactly where I am previously I would/have tweeted a vague reference to not enjoying whatever I'm at, but not making direct comments. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 8:44:33 GMT
Rachel is playing Anjelica in Hamilton from November. It is the kind of role that wins awards, and it is kinda predicted by many on here that she will win that one because she is an amazing talent anyway, added to a winning kind of role, she is kinda the expected favourite before the show has even opened. Interested to know who has won awards so far for playing this role- and at what awards? For Angelica in Hamilton? Supporting Actress Tony Award for Renee Elise Goldsberry in the Original Broadway Cast. And a few of the other US theatre awards as well. |
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