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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 5, 2016 18:28:17 GMT
Yes, you're right, but Someone was referring directly to the stage version, I thought. I still like that opening sequence anyway. I think the whole flashback thing from the auction works well. "A collectors piece indeed...every detail exactly as she said". It sets the tone somehow. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 5, 2016 18:56:28 GMT
Having played Herod, I am going to stand up for his song.
It was brilliantly (when done well) as a contrast to everything that goes before and after. Herod has been set up as the man to sort this out and all of a sudden the world goes very slightly crazy. Without it, the second half of JCS would be unremittingly grim (which would be true to the story, but I think it is better to have the contrast there)
Yes, it is comic - but it can also be very sinister and disturbing. A good director can make it work.
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Post by Mallow on Sept 5, 2016 19:02:57 GMT
"Something Bad" from Wicked.
I wish they just had dialogue in that scene.
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Post by viserys on Sept 5, 2016 19:04:52 GMT
Another Suitcase In Another Hall from Evita. Only purpose I can see was to give Barbara Dickson a song. I always thought that made more sense in the film where Eva sings it. I think it's more the only chance for whoever plays Eva to get a brief rest as she's on stage throughout the whole first act otherwise. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 5, 2016 19:06:44 GMT
"Something Bad" from Wicked. I wish they just had dialogue in that scene. Baaaaaaaaaad. Love it. I think it's intrinsic to the plot. |
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 5, 2016 19:09:40 GMT
"Something Bad" from Wicked. I wish they just had dialogue in that scene. I'd prefer it if they cut the scene completely! I zone out in that one every time. Suspect there will be a completely new song in its place in the movie. |
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Post by Mallow on Sept 5, 2016 19:12:07 GMT
"Something Bad" from Wicked. I wish they just had dialogue in that scene. Baaaaaaaaaad. Love it. I think it's intrinsic to the plot. I think the whole Baaaaaaad bit is important but not important enough to justify the song. Drives me mad every time! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 5, 2016 19:13:48 GMT
"Something Bad" from Wicked. I wish they just had dialogue in that scene. I'd prefer it if they cut the scene completely! I zone out in that one every time. Suspect there will be a completely new song in its place in the movie. Cut Dr Dillamond?....  |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 5, 2016 19:14:36 GMT
I like it when she gives him a sandwich and he eats the paper  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 19:14:39 GMT
Having played Herod, I am going to stand up for his song. It was brilliantly (when done well) as a contrast to everything that goes before and after. Herod has been set up as the man to sort this out and all of a sudden the world goes very slightly crazy. Without it, the second half of JCS would be unremittingly grim (which would be true to the story, but I think it is better to have the contrast there) Yes, it is comic - but it can also be very sinister and disturbing. A good director can make it work. I love it too, and I agree completely that it's a perfect moment of light relief in an incredibly dark second act. For me it was one of several great moments in the Lyceum production... When Mary screamed as Pilate packed Jesus off to see Herod, telling us that this was looking even worse for him than it was looking before. And then Nick Holder spinning round in that chair, draped in beads hanging over that huge stomach. Quite different from anything we'd seen before. Revoltingly sinister and disturbing... I suppose what I meant is the song doesn't feature in any form anywhere else in the show. It's a stand-alone. Whereas almost every other song has overlaps or shares themes or whole melodies with others. So- any chance of seeing your Herod?  |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 5, 2016 19:20:13 GMT
Sadly I don't think video evidence exists of my performance. It was a long time ago - there might be an etching of it...
(2003? or something like that)
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Post by CBP1 on Sept 5, 2016 19:24:40 GMT
Just kidding! I'll get me goooooat, sorry coat..... |
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Post by ptwest on Sept 5, 2016 19:46:30 GMT
Yes, it is comic - but it can also be very sinister and disturbing. A good director can make it work. I love it too, and I agree completely that it's a perfect moment of light relief in an incredibly dark second act. For me it was one of several great moments in the Lyceum production... When Mary screamed as Pilate packed Jesus off to see Herod, telling us that this was looking even worse for him than it was looking before. And then Nick Holder spinning round in that chair, draped in beads hanging over that huge stomach. Quite different from anything we'd seen before. Revoltingly sinister and disturbing... I suppose what I meant is the song doesn't feature in any form anywhere else in the show. It's a stand-alone. Whereas almost every other song has overlaps or shares themes or whole melodies with others. This is exactly right - I have seen too many productions when the Herod song is done as a full on comedy number and it completely derails the mood and atmosphere. The Lyceum take on it was perfection. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 5, 2016 19:47:48 GMT
Absolutely. When I did it, I asked the MD to remove the comic percussion and whistles to add to the atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 19:53:47 GMT
Another Suitcase In Another Hall from Evita. Only purpose I can see was to give Barbara Dickson a song. I took it as a way of showing Eva's ruthlessness. She doesn't hesitate to get rid of anyone unfortunate enough to be in her way. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:08:16 GMT
Another Suitcase In Another Hall from Evita. Only purpose I can see was to give Barbara Dickson a song. I took it as a way of showing Eva's ruthlessness. She doesn't hesitate to get rid of anyone unfortunate enough to be in her way. Wasn't it also to show that Peron usually preferred much younger girls? The mistress is supposed to be 16... In the Hal Prince production Peron was seen bouncing a "school-girl" (gym slip and pigtails) on his knee during the Rainbow Tour. Eva was 25 when she met Peron, so considerably older, and this song set up the contrast. I do agree that it is a bit odd to have such a very minor character given such a song. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:15:00 GMT
I took it as a way of showing Eva's ruthlessness. She doesn't hesitate to get rid of anyone unfortunate enough to be in her way. Wasn't it also to show that Peron usually preferred much younger girls? The mistress is supposed to be 16... In the Hal Prince production Peron was seen bouncing a "school-girl" (gym slip and pigtails) on his knee during the Rainbow Tour. Eva was 25 when she met Peron, so considerably older, and this song set up the contrast. I do agree that it is a bit odd to have such a very minor character given such a song. I can't remember what's either side of it. Could part of the justification be stagecraft reasons, in the same way as Brush Up Your Shakespeare gives the cast time for a costume change in Kiss Me, Kate? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:19:59 GMT
But it was on the studio recording before any such staging concerns had reared their heads.
(In between I'd Be Surprisingly Good For You and Peron's Latest Flame. Just checked as couldn't remember...!)
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Post by synchrony on Sept 6, 2016 0:34:12 GMT
Ball of Wax from Ghost, urghh.
The squid song (In the Arms?) from The Addams Family.
Sleeping on our Own from Martin Guerre.
I skip all these songs when listening to the CDs.
I'd argue that Shouldn't I be less in Love with You? from "I love you, you're perfect now change" doesn't really fit because it's the only really serious song in the show. But for me that made it all the more poignant and touching. I LOVE this song so much.
Similarly, I don't think Invisible quite fits in Women on the verge of a Nervous Breakdown, but the surprise made the emotional impact all the greater.
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Sept 6, 2016 10:23:46 GMT
Once in a While - Rocky Horror Show
King of my Heart - Joseph
Both totally slow things down unnecessarily!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 6, 2016 14:07:00 GMT
King of my Heart is a weak song that adds nothing to the show.... but I do like Once in a While!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 0:22:15 GMT
To be honest, when I read the title for this thread I thought it was what Bill Kenwright says when he takes the scenery for his latest production from its storage in a broom cupboard, into a huge barn of a theatre.
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2016 2:06:28 GMT
The only one I can think of off the top of my head (from Musicals I know well) which hasn't already been mentioned is Piragua from In The Heights. I love its tune and the majority of performances I've seen of it but it is just irrelevant and a bit of a filler/timewaster.
I can predict the people who will disagree with me and I'm sure there's a lovely story behind its creation/inclusion but really there's no point to it at all, unless there was a big set change or something going on when it was sung on Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 14:42:39 GMT
The Morphine Tango from 'Kiss Of The Spider Woman' I think its a near pefect score and the morphine tango seems like a comedy song to try and lift the mood. I skip it every time and it adds nothing to the story.
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