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Post by Polly1 on Aug 15, 2017 9:39:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 9:48:27 GMT
It was only 3 hours 40 when I went a couple of weeks back. If they're screening the play as it is rather than adapting it for the screen (as per Doran's Hamlet) then the only thing they can really uncontroversially cut out is the interval and the pause. And it is BBC 2, so fingers crossed!
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Post by Maz on Aug 15, 2017 10:00:37 GMT
Free Hamlet talk Monday afternoon! And I'm in London that day with time to kill - hurrah! It was a nice, relaxed little chat between Andy and Rob (gosh, he's young! Or looks it anyway). Was pleased to hear it'll be somewhere online to watch/ listen to again as I couldn't hear lots of it due to 1. AS & RI speaking too softly and 2. Tons of giggling girls (yes, it was 90% women under 25 I'd say) finding every.little.thing. so hilarious. Bits I did hear were; AS chose Judy over Richard, Fergie is his favourite royal and they looked at doing The Glass Menagerie before deciding on Hamlet. |
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 15, 2017 10:06:36 GMT
Oh my god, that's absolutely amazing news that it's going to be broadcast be on BBC2, thank you so much for sharing, that's really made my morning!!! Hope that means it may also end up on DVD. Shame we have to wait until next year to see it, but I'm already so excited to implore friends and family to watch it. How sad am I?! Oh boy I hope it comes across well on screen. The acting style is very naturalistic so I hope so. They list Juliet Stephenson on the cast list of the press release, so I presume filming is all done and dusted and off for editing now? Or a mistake?
Benedict Cumberbatch must be fuming....
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 15, 2017 10:43:04 GMT
Amazing news! I only hope they wouldn't dare to cut it like they did with PPGW last year (which, sadly, lost a LOT of charm).
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 15, 2017 10:53:59 GMT
On the other hand, having seen both, if I were Benedict Cumberbatch I'd be pretty relieved... Good point! Never saw BC's Hamlet, but I trust the views of board members! Amazing news! I only hope they wouldn't dare to cut it like they did with PPGW last year (which, sadly, lost a LOT of charm). I'm hoping that because it's a filmed stage performance, as opposed to PPGW which was specifically adapted and filmed as a 'television' performance, the cutting will be minimal, even with a possible 3hr 30min length (that or thereabouts). I know there are many versions of Hamlet about which cut this and that, but the plot matters a smidgen more in Hamlet than it does in PPGW, so for this production to make sense as a whole, surely they couldn't play about with it/remove too much, if anything. One can but hope! I'm sure Robert Icke or anyone involved wouldn't have allowed it to be filmed and broadcast if they were going to butcher it or 'mess it up'. Time will tell! |
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Post by Rory on Aug 15, 2017 11:41:41 GMT
The BBC2 broadcast is fabulous news!
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Post by kathryn on Aug 15, 2017 12:50:03 GMT
Benedict Cumberbatch must be fuming.... On the other hand, having seen both, if I were Benedict Cumberbatch I'd be pretty relieved... Given the number his NT Live got he can't be too worried. They're doing an encore soon. I have to say, from the snippet I saw before angels last week it looks a lot better on the cinema screen than it did on the stage. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:47:38 GMT
On the other hand, having seen both, if I were Benedict Cumberbatch I'd be pretty relieved... Given the number his NT Live got he can't be too worried. They're doing an encore soon. I have to say, from the snippet I saw before angels last week it looks a lot better on the cinema screen than it did on the stage. ahem....not hard? Sorry Cumby (and I did used to be a BIG fan) but when all I can remember is 'I got confetti down my bra' it's not the most ringing endorsement.
However valiantly continuing the tradition, I'm seeing Andrew Scott's Dane for my Birthday, and hopefully showing the Mother how Hamlet should be done.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 15, 2017 15:10:15 GMT
Given the number his NT Live got he can't be too worried. They're doing an encore soon. I have to say, from the snippet I saw before angels last week it looks a lot better on the cinema screen than it did on the stage. ahem....not hard? Sorry Cumby (and I did used to be a BIG fan) but when all I can remember is 'I got confetti down my bra' it's not the most ringing endorsement.
However valiantly continuing the tradition, I'm seeing Andrew Scott's Dane for my Birthday, and hopefully showing the Mother how Hamlet should be done.
Well, yes! But I literally meant in terms of the camera angles they got of that ridiculous set, which it seems was designed to be looked at from a 45 degree angle... *snort* I don't even remember the confetti. What I mainly remember was the iron curtain and how numb my bum got. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 15:18:34 GMT
ahem....not hard? Sorry Cumby (and I did used to be a BIG fan) but when all I can remember is 'I got confetti down my bra' it's not the most ringing endorsement.
However valiantly continuing the tradition, I'm seeing Andrew Scott's Dane for my Birthday, and hopefully showing the Mother how Hamlet should be done.
Well, yes! But I literally meant in terms of the camera angles they got of that ridiculous set, which it seems was designed to be looked at from a 45 degree angle... *snort* I don't even remember the confetti. What I mainly remember was the iron curtain and how numb my bum got. The confetti was more whatever sh*te it was they blew off the stage....most of which I couldn't' see from where I was haha.
The second time I saw it I was rudely awoken in Act 5 when some idiot in the circle dropped their water bottle and it nearly hit me!
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Post by kathryn on Aug 15, 2017 15:23:50 GMT
I sold my second ticket to someone in the returns queue (at face value). Couldn't bring myself to sit through it twice.
Rumour has it that it was originally intended to be in a smaller theatre and they switched to the Barbican when they
realised how high demand would be.
I have a new appreciation for creating the widest possible access for audiences, but in that respect this Almeida production wins on all fronts!
Not only a much better production, but also about as accessible a broadcast as it is possible to get.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 15:27:35 GMT
I sold my second ticket to someone in the returns queue (at face value). Couldn't bring myself to sit through it twice. Rumour has it that it was originally intended to be in a smaller theatre and they switched to the Barbican when they realised how high demand would be. Ah I accompanied viserys because I'm a noble friend haha in fairness I didn't object to it more find it all a bit ....meh. As I do The 'Batch himself now. |
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Post by kathryn on Aug 15, 2017 15:35:04 GMT
I sold my second ticket to someone in the returns queue (at face value). Couldn't bring myself to sit through it twice. Rumour has it that it was originally intended to be in a smaller theatre and they switched to the Barbican when they realised how high demand would be. Ah I accompanied viserys because I'm a noble friend haha in fairness I didn't object to it more find it all a bit ....meh. As I do The 'Batch himself now. I still like him as an actor generally, but I don't think he's that well-suited to Shakespeare. Andrew's Hamlet is definitely better than his, and Martin Freeman's Richard III was far more compelling, for my money. I did watch an episode of Miss Marple he did way back when last weekend - he was rather good in that! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 15:38:34 GMT
I think Cumberbatch is finding himself more pigeon-holed the longer he's around, and I'd like to see him return to the lighter stuff he used to do, 'cos he was probably better at that than he is at being an emotionless brainiac to be honest.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 15, 2017 15:47:35 GMT
To be honest I think he might benefit from taking some time off and being a little more selective in his role choices. After a while his characters sort of blur together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 18:13:32 GMT
I think what we need is an on-screen embodiment of Martin Crieff from Cabin Pressure and all will be well in my Cumber-World again. I have zero interest in superhero movies so I haven't bothered with Dr Strange, but I have fond memories of a world where Cumberbatch was in good stuff so I hold out hope for the future...
And yes, he wasn't Freeman's Dick, so there's that. (For the record worst night of Shakespeare I've had the mispleasure of in about a decade, thanks Freeman and Lloyd)
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Post by crowblack on Aug 15, 2017 19:45:04 GMT
I did watch an episode of Miss Marple he did way back when last weekend - he was rather good in that! Oh, that is one of the best Marples (though the novel isn't a Marple at all) - it has EVERYONE in it - thesp heaven - and a lovely, naturalistic high-summer atmosphere, and doesn't have an annoyingly wooden comedian as the detective or in some other role as some of them do. |
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Post by mistressjojo on Aug 16, 2017 2:44:06 GMT
I think what we need is an on-screen embodiment of Martin Crieff from Cabin Pressure and all will be well in my Cumber-World again. Can you imagine it? Cumbers up a tree with a stuffed sheep? I would hope for an appearance by ze polar bearz expert. ☺ |
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Post by TallPaul on Aug 22, 2017 12:48:00 GMT
Andrew Scott fans will probably already know this, but he makes a cameo appearance, as a certain famous writer of that era, in tonight's episode of Quacks (BBC2 10pm).
"I try not to write with the pen, but with blood. And dynamite."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 13:12:31 GMT
I saw this again on Friday, and really, well 'enjoyed' isn't probably the best description given it's a fairly brutal Hamlet, but appreciated maybe, just how good the production is again.
Firstly seeing it from non-restricted seats (well small pillar) rather than from 'above' was great to take in the full panorama of the set- I hadn't been able to appreciate the use of the depth of the stage before but it was I think 'elegantly' staged is a nice way to put it. Also I got to take in the use of video properly, and while at times I get a bit video-fatigued particularly in contemporary Shakespeares it works well here.
The cast were as good as remembered overall, though I have to admit Derbhle Crotty wasn't quite up there as Gertrude for me. Not terrible but not quite up there with the rest. Angus Wright I enjoyed even more as Claudius and I seem to remember someone making a comment about you can see why she'd run off with him, which I think is fair- not looks wise just more a demeanour of a powerful magnetic man you can see Gertrude would be drawn to.
Of course Andrew Scott is the stand out, there's not a great deal new to be said. His soft-spoken nature against the outbursts of rage and grief really give a sense of the man on the edge. The manner he delivers many of the speeches is of a man who the words are just occurring to or that he's living rather than someone giving their best Hamlet speech, which is of course what everyone should be doing. But he has a magical air to him about them that's so engaging.
What I find most compelling about Icke's direction, of Hamlet himself in particular is the sense of...I'm not even sure how to describe it, a lurching raw grief that manifests in anger. But also with a sense of underlying anxiety that's a part of Hamlet's character. It's a less known manifestation of anxiety as a condition that it manifests in anger, but I really got a sense of that (brought out by grief) in this Hamlet, which really adds an element for me (I'm probably projecting something onto it but then hey isn't that also the point). Short version, this is a Hamlet I genuinely believe to be really messed up by the death of his Father and struggling to cope with the rest of life being thrown at him.
The ending is more brutal than I remembered, and brilliantly powerful for it.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 22, 2017 13:18:25 GMT
Hamlet livestream interview on FAcebook right now! Time Out.
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 22, 2017 19:39:45 GMT
In case you missed it this afternoon: www.facebook.com/TimeOutLondon/videos/10154863034212405/
The most in-depth analysis I've seen about the play with psycological angle added. It's amazing how you think you reach the essense of something with no more questions to ask and yet you keep on digging.. and it's endless really. This production is a true gift. And strangely enough (considering the obvious theme) this is the first Hamlet version that made me think about my own farther.. and made such thining painful and healing at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 19:43:36 GMT
Thanks rumbledoll I got halfway through in work when people started talking to me (tsk tsk) so had to stop. I'll catch up tomorrow but what I heard was really really fascinating. Be back when I've heard it all... |
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Post by rockinrobin on Aug 29, 2017 11:23:55 GMT
Saw it again last Saturday.
I will be always grateful to Andrew Scott for making me UNDERSTAND Hamlet. And for making me bite my fingers in the final scenes even though I know very well how this story ends.
This is a masterpiece.
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