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Post by crowblack on Aug 2, 2017 21:42:34 GMT
Andrew Scott's going to be on Newsnight in a minute (2nd August).
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 2, 2017 22:43:40 GMT
Loved both interviews (wish Newsnight one was longer), thank you for the heads up, guys!
Looks like Andrew is enjoying the moment and very relaxed too. It really saddens me to think that he's got zero chances to get the next year's Olivier (which he very much deserves!) but merely because here's another Andrew on the other side of River Thames doing his magic which would be criminal to overlook.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:06:10 GMT
ooh thanks for the Newsnight heads up! I'll catch up with that.
And it is a shame he probably won't win awards for this- would be well deserved and even I would struggle to really choose between them performance wise. Even with my Mother-hen bias for the other Andrew.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 10:00:52 GMT
I'd have thought Andrew Scott is much more likely to get the Olivier than Andrew Garfield? Oh no. No no no no no no. And another NO. If he wins it, then there really is something rotten in the state of Denmark. Andrew Scott is absolutely fine in the role, don't get me wrong, but Andrew Garfield in 'Angels in America' is really in a completely different league. It's a truly astonishing performance in a transcendent production. AS-TON-I-SHING. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 10:17:13 GMT
I'd have thought Andrew Scott is much more likely to get the Olivier than Andrew Garfield? Oh no. No no no no no no. And another NO. If he wins it, then there really is something rotten in the state of Denmark. Andrew Scott is absolutely fine in the role, don't get me wrong, but Andrew Garfield in 'Angels in America' is really in a completely different league. It's a truly astonishing performance in a transcendent production. AS-TON-I-SHING. What he said. It's a damn good Hamlet. A really damn good one. The best (and I am a) snobby about it b) really dislike the little Dane) But what Garfield does in Angels really is incredible. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 11:22:32 GMT
Sonia Friedman Productions v NT
SFP has the edge on the Olivier battlefield.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 11:40:11 GMT
After last year isn't it a case of what makes the best television now? In the real world Scott and Garfield is an interesting match up, though.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 3, 2017 11:57:27 GMT
I haven't managed to see Angels (waiting for NT Live encore) so can't compare, but Andrew Scott's Hamlet has had a hell of a lot of mainstream media coverage - Marr, the One Show, Newsnight, radio interviews...
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Post by bellboard27 on Aug 3, 2017 13:06:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 13:12:22 GMT
It certainly isn't - I love my vegetables and happily eat them every day.
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Post by bellboard27 on Aug 3, 2017 13:17:57 GMT
It certainly isn't - I love my vegetables and happily eat them every day. You're just saying that. I suspect a diet of cream eggs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 13:24:48 GMT
It certainly isn't - I love my vegetables and happily eat them every day. You're just saying that. I suspect a diet of cream eggs. Wait, are cream eggs NOT vegetables? next you'll be telling me Jaffa Cakes aren't fruit. |
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Post by peggs on Aug 3, 2017 14:18:16 GMT
You're just saying that. I suspect a diet of cream eggs. Wait, are cream eggs NOT vegetables? next you'll be telling me Jaffa Cakes aren't fruit. Protein aren't they? Eggs? All part of a balanced diet. |
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 3, 2017 14:46:56 GMT
Every opinion is welcome and we can talk about it for hours, but for me... well.. Let's forget about who the producer behind the play is or who would look better on the front cover (either of them is the right answer) and take just the performances (even not in the scheme of the particular production) - honest, raw and un-attributed to anything.. I'm not comparing talents here or who has the most chellenging task, I'm choosing just by the IMPACT it had on me as the audience member (and of course any member of Olivier panel is an individual with their own aruguments and preferences), then it would be Garfield over Scott. Ask me any day before next April and it will never change. I don't even had to think about it, it just strikes me as the most obvious thing. And this why I said it's a shame Scott (in my books) coul not get Olvier for Hamlet. I wish we could move him one year forward or just invent a special 8 pieces award for Angels Cast.
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Post by sherriebythesea on Aug 3, 2017 19:36:29 GMT
Andrew Scott was wonderful but I pretty much left Hamlet at the theatre. Prior Walter is still with me, popping up at different moments, tears coming to my eyes when my mind wonders to his pain and smiles at his defiance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:55:48 GMT
Andrew Scott was wonderful but I pretty much left Hamlet at the theatre. Prior Walter is still with me, popping up at different moments, tears coming to my eyes when my mind wonders to his pain and smiles at his defiance. So much this. I adored Scott's Hamlet and as Hamlet goes it's one that will stay with me (unlike Cumber-snooze-batch). But Andrew's performance is still *there* (granted I am a tad over-invested but clearly I'm not the only one) |
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 3, 2017 20:10:33 GMT
Question, though: As I'm sure some might know, Prior was considered a "Supporting" character at the Tony Awards in 1993 whereas it was Roy who was considered a "Lead" character (both actors won their respective awards). Obviously Hamlet would be classed as "Lead", I have a feeling we can all agree on that...! So if all 3 actors (Garfield, Lane & Scott) are indeed nominated, would the Olivier's follow suit or was it regarded wrong that Prior was supporting and Roy was Lead and the Olivier's may swap them? If not, Scott may be facing competition from Nathan Lane, not Andrew Garfield!
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Post by andrew on Aug 3, 2017 20:23:13 GMT
Question, though: As I'm sure some might know, Prior was considered a "Supporting" character at the Tony Awards in 1993 whereas it was Roy who was considered a "Lead" character (both actors won their respective awards). Obviously Hamlet would be classed as "Lead", I have a feeling we can all agree on that...! So if all 3 actors (Garfield, Lane & Scott) are indeed nominated, would the Olivier's follow suit or was it regarded wrong that Prior was supporting and Roy was Lead and the Olivier's may swap them? If not, Scott may be facing competition from Nathan Lane, not Andrew Garfield! I don't know how the Olivier awards work (I'd imagine it's roughly the same) but for the Tony awards, the categorisation is influenced (although not decided) by the producers submitting who they think would be suitable for any category ahead of any nominations being made. According to their regulations, it also takes into account the billing of the show when it opens. I think the way the play runs, there is no way Garfield would be put forward for a supporting role. |
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 3, 2017 22:31:00 GMT
If anyone IS the lead in Angels - they all are for me, but let's be fair - that's Prior (I was amused at how Tonys refers to him as supporting part) At least in this production it is as clear as day (a sunny winter's day, warm and cold at once).
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Post by popcultureboy on Aug 4, 2017 7:25:22 GMT
If anyone IS the lead in Angels - they all are for me, but let's be fair - that's Prior (I was amused at how Tonys refers to him as supporting part) At least in this production it is as clear as day (a sunny winter's day, warm and cold at once). The Tonys have a hard and fast rule of if you're billed above the title, you're a lead performer, below the title and you're a supporting performer. Producers can petition the board to consider performers in categories other than those dictated by their billing, but it's the board's decision I believe as to whether they do or not. For the Broadway run of Angels in 1993, EVERYONE was below the title, so who ended up as lead would have been the producer's decision as to who to put forward to the Tonys Board. Bringing this back on topic, it will be interesting to see whether productions that aren't still running come Olivier nomination time are all remembered. This, Virginia Woolf, Apologia, Ink, Angels in America, Cat on Hot Tin Roof, The Ferryman, it's already been a REALLY strong year for performances. Given that there is already more delight to come with Mary Stuart (although whether that will be eligible I'm not sure), Long Day's Journey, Heisenberg, Against, Albion, Pinocchio, Network and so on and so on, it's inevitable that some productions will be squeezed out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:37:49 GMT
Also it's worth noting the Tonys changed it for the 1995 full production and Prior was considered 'lead'. The Oliviers don't have the same kind of 'rules' (do they have any? I always thought they made it up as they went along)
In one of the weirdest questions I've ever been asked (and that is saying something) someone on twitter asked me 'who has the most lines in Angels?' the other day. I had to confess I had never been bored enough to count. BUT as that relates to who is leading who isn't, if I were a betting woman I'd say Louis technically has more lines as he doesn't shut up, whereas Prior has more stage time therefore is the biggest role.
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 4, 2017 8:52:19 GMT
I considered last year a strong year too but then The Cursed Child came and swiped them all, who cared.. If the same is gonna happen to Angels, as least I'm gonna be a one happy bunny  |
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Post by nash16 on Aug 4, 2017 9:47:22 GMT
Don't forget the Oliviers are mainly decided by Sonia Friedman and whomever the President of SOLT is that year.
If Sonia can invest in a production after it's initial run somewhere, that show will win an Olivier/lots of Oliviers.
And this show is already NYC bound next year.
It's all about enabling future lives for the "winning" shows, and the marketing/money making possibilities for them.
With this in mind, they could split Lane and Garfield into Leading and Supporting categories respectively, to give AiA the maximum number of "wins" before it heads to Broadway.
It is more likely that they will both be in the Leading Male category though. In which case a "tie" for the win would assist the marketing.
As emicradiff said, the Oliviers do tend to "make it up as they go along", and it's less about merit, and rather mainly about money.
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Post by Maz on Aug 4, 2017 10:11:55 GMT
Going to this tonight. Excited! - don't think I've ever said that about a Shakespeare before. I admit, I do struggle a bit with his plays unless it's one I know *really* well. I did see Hamlet once before (Rory Kinnear / NT) as I felt it was something I ought to do. It was of course good (great, even) but I said once is enough. Let's hope I was wrong!
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 4, 2017 10:38:54 GMT
Maz Rory was my hands down fave Hamlet before that one, Scott at times excel but Ike's production is just more inventive, accessible and fresh comparing to Hytner's. It's spot on and to the point with remarkable clarity of language. I hope you'll enjoy it! Do let us know afterwards 
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