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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:53:57 GMT
I went to the second night at Wembley Stadium to see Beyoncé and I must say, I don't know what show you saw (though I know you tend to hate almost anything unless you have money in it, and even then you turn on it if it flops) but the Formation concert was a brilliant night out! We were in the Gold Circle (the standing area near to the stage) and holy crap it was phenomenal. She sang her ass off, danced incredibly well with a brilliant group of young dancers and I found the staging itself to be really smart. It was simplistic, with just a rotating Box screen that was just about the size of the stadium it seemed, just huge! And a large stage and runway that lead to a b-stage in the centre of the stadium that changed into a shallow pool of water for part of the show. It was simple, focused on her voice and dancing, no gimmicks, it was great. I can't blame her for doing a stadium tour. It looked almost completely full and the first night was sold out according to her website. If she can sell them that well, if I were her, I would do a stadium show of this calibre too. I'd rather perform two nights to huge crowds than 8/9 shows to smaller crowds! I am really not a fan of Madonna, I have never seen her live but I have seen her Sticky & Sweet and Confessions tours on DVD. Whilst staging is impressive, she is a crap singer in my opinion. Smart to re-invent her classics as said, but she needs the whole Cirque-De-Solei going on around her to impress, she simply does not have the vocals to sell tickets alone for the length and size her tours do venue wise. but she can put on a good show with all the stuff going on around her. And props to her, keep it up if you want to sell those tickets. Though I do think it is a shame she decided to do the Rebel Heart Tour in arenas after two hugely successful Stadium tours.  |
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Post by infofreako on Jul 5, 2016 9:25:53 GMT
Why pick just on poor parsley. I was there Sunday too. It was a poorly conceived show and not a patch on her previous tours.
I get the exonomics point about 2 nights in a stadium beting better than 8 in an arena. Ive seen Wembley more packed with far better atmosphere and i too was in the golden circle im glad it was free is about the best i can say about it.
The Rebel Heart tour was ok Madonna would struggle to pack UK stadiums now so has chosen arenas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 9:50:13 GMT
I went to the second night at Wembley Stadium to see Beyoncé and I must say, I don't know what show you saw (though I know you tend to hate almost anything unless you have money in it, and even then you turn on it if it flops) but the Formation concert was a brilliant night out! We were in the Gold Circle (the standing area near to the stage) and holy crap it was phenomenal. She sang her ass off, danced incredibly well with a brilliant group of young dancers and I found the staging itself to be really smart. It was simplistic, with just a rotating Box screen that was just about the size of the stadium it seemed, just huge! And a large stage and runway that lead to a b-stage in the centre of the stadium that changed into a shallow pool of water for part of the show. It was simple, focused on her voice and dancing, no gimmicks, it was great. I can't blame her for doing a stadium tour. It looked almost completely full and the first night was sold out according to her website. If she can sell them that well, if I were her, I would do a stadium show of this calibre too. I'd rather perform two nights to huge crowds than 8/9 shows to smaller crowds! I am really not a fan of Madonna, I have never seen her live but I have seen her Sticky & Sweet and Confessions tours on DVD. Whilst staging is impressive, she is a crap singer in my opinion. Smart to re-invent her classics as said, but she needs the whole Cirque-De-Solei going on around her to impress, she simply does not have the vocals to sell tickets alone for the length and size her tours do venue wise. but she can put on a good show with all the stuff going on around her. And props to her, keep it up if you want to sell those tickets. Though I do think it is a shame she decided to do the Rebel Heart Tour in arenas after two hugely successful Stadium tours. With all due respect I think the number of concerts I attend is likely to be a lot higher than many people and if you haven't even seen Madonna live it is pretty unfair for you to be commenting Her shows are visually quite superior in concept and execution to anything Beyoncé will ever manage This is not intended to be a direct comparison of 2 entirely different artists (and who are both amazing in their own separate ways) My point was that Beyoncé failed to make the jump from arena to stadium in the same impressive way Madonna managed The Formation Tour was the most underwhelming stadium show I have ever seen The vocals are always going to be amplified and I realise you aren't going to such a big show for the singing in all reality This leaves the awful staging and lack of any concept in the show As I mentioned Gaps of just everything going quiet and pauses Just doesn't smack of a slick show I have been lucky enough to see Beyoncé in a small venue only 3000 people when she performed at the Roseland Ballroom in NY Having seen that and then several wonderful arena performances She just doesn't cut it in a massive stadium I don't know if you saw the Mrs Carter Show (the second time it came round to the O2) But it was amazing On a final note just look at the gross per show between Beyoncé and Madonna Madonna wins by a mile every time due to sky high ticket prices which people are willing to pay for spectacle |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:07:59 GMT
I went to the second night at Wembley Stadium to see Beyoncé and I must say, I don't know what show you saw (though I know you tend to hate almost anything unless you have money in it, and even then you turn on it if it flops) but the Formation concert was a brilliant night out! We were in the Gold Circle (the standing area near to the stage) and holy crap it was phenomenal. She sang her ass off, danced incredibly well with a brilliant group of young dancers and I found the staging itself to be really smart. It was simplistic, with just a rotating Box screen that was just about the size of the stadium it seemed, just huge! And a large stage and runway that lead to a b-stage in the centre of the stadium that changed into a shallow pool of water for part of the show. It was simple, focused on her voice and dancing, no gimmicks, it was great. I can't blame her for doing a stadium tour. It looked almost completely full and the first night was sold out according to her website. If she can sell them that well, if I were her, I would do a stadium show of this calibre too. I'd rather perform two nights to huge crowds than 8/9 shows to smaller crowds! I am really not a fan of Madonna, I have never seen her live but I have seen her Sticky & Sweet and Confessions tours on DVD. Whilst staging is impressive, she is a crap singer in my opinion. Smart to re-invent her classics as said, but she needs the whole Cirque-De-Solei going on around her to impress, she simply does not have the vocals to sell tickets alone for the length and size her tours do venue wise. but she can put on a good show with all the stuff going on around her. And props to her, keep it up if you want to sell those tickets. Though I do think it is a shame she decided to do the Rebel Heart Tour in arenas after two hugely successful Stadium tours. With all due respect I think the number of concerts I attend is likely to be a lot higher than many people and if you haven't even seen Madonna live it is pretty unfair for you to be commenting Her shows are visually quite superior in concept and execution to anything Beyoncé will ever manage This is not intended to be a direct comparison of 2 entirely different artists (and who are both amazing in their own separate ways) My point was that Beyoncé failed to make the jump from arena to stadium in the same impressive way Madonna managed The Formation Tour was the most underwhelming stadium show I have ever seen The vocals are always going to be amplified and I realise you aren't going to such a big show for the singing in all reality This leaves the awful staging and lack of any concept in the show As I mentioned Gaps of just everything going quiet and pauses Just doesn't smack of a slick show I have been lucky enough to see Beyoncé in a small venue only 3000 people when she performed at the Roseland Ballroom in NY Having seen that and then several wonderful arena performances She just doesn't cut it in a massive stadium I don't know if you saw the Mrs Carter Show (the second time it came round to the O2) But it was amazing On a final note just look at the gross per show between Beyoncé and Madonna Madonna wins by a mile every time due to sky high ticket prices which people are willing to pay for spectacle All fair points, but be aware that you should carefully word your initial comment on this thread. You brought on direct comparisons to Madonna by saying "nothing like a Madonna show" therefore bringing direct comparisons into play.
I agree that arena shows tend to be better but this worked for me and many fans on social media from both shows and the 20+ friends of mine dotted around the stadium. And it was a stunning concert.
I respect your opinion, and the reason somewhat I don't really take your slating of the show too seriously, in all honesty, is because you do bash almost everything you see, on here anyway, so it leads me to believe you don't like anything so it is just expected for you to bash a show. I apologise to you if that is not the case but it is just how it comes across.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:18:17 GMT
Yes it's good we all have various opinions
I don't think it's fair to say I hate everything though and not elaborate or further engage and comment on things I have enjoyed
This is being selective and making a generalisation
There are things I enjoy and post about
No matter how few
But I don't dislike everything I see
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:21:43 GMT
What I find most odd about stadium shows
Is that they perform the majority of the thing
In broad daylight
Looks terrible!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:26:25 GMT
Yes it's good we all have various opinions I don't think it's fair to say I hate everything though and not elaborate or further engage and comment on things I have enjoyed This is being selective and making a generalisation There are things I enjoy and post about No matter how few But I don't dislike everything I see That is fair. Maybe then, on here anyway, be careful how to word the way you word things. If you start a thought on a show with something along the lines of "well this was s**t" or "I left half way though" it immediately sounds like an attack on the show rather than a review offering constructive criticism or attempting to find anything positive about the show. That is why I sometimes just write in response "Parsley doesn't like it, shock". Because it is not as though you have just disliked this one thing, it comes across that you dislike a lot of things because it happens often on here. I apologise if that is not the case but that is how it can come across.
I know you have written a few positive thoughts and regardless of them being positive or negative I enjoy reading your posts for the most part as I think they are highly entertaining. 
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 5, 2016 10:26:39 GMT
Interesting comments all round but could we please refrain from quoting entire posts when they're as lengthy as some of these have been. If you want to refer back to someone's post just choose the most relevant bit to quote please. It makes following the thread much easier for everyone. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:27:02 GMT
What I find most odd about stadium shows Is that they perform the majority of the thing In broad daylight Looks terrible!! That, I agree with. And it is a waste of money in terms of lighting design.  |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 5, 2016 10:28:33 GMT
Yes and there's something hugely depressing about watching it in daylight, especially if it's a bit nippy!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:40:20 GMT
Interesting comments all round but could we please refrain from quoting entire posts when they're as lengthy as some of these have been. If you want to refer back to someone's post just choose the most relevant bit to quote please. It makes following the thread much easier for everyone. Thanks! Sorry |
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Post by haz23 on Jul 5, 2016 14:14:37 GMT
I went to see Beyoncé and Jeremy Jordan in the same week. Guess who I enjoyed the most?
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Post by brenth on Jul 5, 2016 16:30:04 GMT
Context is everything. Where did you see this? On Thursday, on my regular walk home from the theatre, I had to struggle through the Beyonce fanthrong emerging from the Principality Stadium. Then the next night, on the same walk home, I had to struggle through the victorious Wales v Belgium Euro crowd emerging from the Coopers Field Fanzone. The Beyonce fans were much more pleasant and civilised. Wembley stadium She is stupid Beyoncé Could have sold out 6-7-8 nights at O2 Instead of a 2nd NOT sold out night at a sports venue The Beyoncé fans are about 20 years old They buy her clothing line Made in China and with logos stamped on the front Their mothers and fathers paid for their concert ticket As they themselves earn the minimum wage And will always rent a property And have no ambition That's likely why Sorry Parsley although I agreed with your comments, you are talking out of your arse! I was at the Cardiff concert and it was full of 30-40year old Welsh women, for an old poof like me, it was frankly terrifying! |
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Post by ptwest on Jul 5, 2016 17:53:12 GMT
Not suprised so many people thought it was a let down, stadium pop shows are often poor unless you are up front. Beyoncé at Manchester arena was stunning though.
I suppose every time I've seen Madonna in a stadium I've been lucky to get in the gold circle so have felt very close to the action, but nothing has beaten the indoor shows- especially being in the mdna triangle and the tip of the heart for Rebel Heart (Madonna threatened to spank me for dropping her maraccas) . For this type of show where so much focus is on the performer and the dancers, you need to be up close. Saw Bruce Springsteen in Manchester city stadium a few weeks ago and he was fantastic - that really suited the space.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 5, 2016 19:02:02 GMT
Not suprised so many people thought it was a let down, stadium pop shows are often poor unless you are up front. Beyoncé at Manchester arena was stunning though. I suppose every time I've seen Madonna in a stadium I've been lucky to get in the gold circle so have felt very close to the action, but nothing has beaten the indoor shows- especially being in the mdna triangle and the tip of the heart for Rebel Heart (Madonna threatened to spank me for dropping her maraccas) . For this type of show where so much focus is on the performer and the dancers, you need to be up close. Saw Bruce Springsteen in Manchester city stadium a few weeks ago and he was fantastic - that really suited the space. And what are you spending to get these super-close seats? |
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Post by ptwest on Jul 5, 2016 19:56:32 GMT
Have never paid anything above standard ticket prices, which admittedly for Madge is a lot of money. Just struck really lucky I suppose -the ones for Rebel Heart in Birmingham showed up on general sale weeks after the majority of tickets went - couldn't believe it was the very tip when I got to the seat. I won a place in the triangle through the fanclub and got catwalk side seats for S and S at the O2 when unsold VIP seats were put on general sale about 3 or 4 days before the concert. So have never paid VIP / premium etc prices for any of them.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 5, 2016 20:25:34 GMT
Yes it's good we all have various opinions I don't think it's fair to say I hate everything though and not elaborate or further engage and comment on things I have enjoyed This is being selective and making a generalisation Did you not completely generalise about Beyonce fans on page one? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 15:57:17 GMT
Who needs Beyonce when you can have this?
There are no words to describe just how monumentally fabulous this is. Heaven bless you Liza. Don't ever let that plastic hip drag you down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 20:35:46 GMT
Saw Bruce Springsteen in Manchester city stadium a few weeks ago and he was fantastic - that really suited the space. I saw Springsteen at Wembley a few weeks ago and although the sound was terrible, he was fantastic, and I agree suited the stadium space rather than being indoors in the arena or the O2. |
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Post by brenth on Jul 9, 2016 13:17:33 GMT
I enjoyed Beyonces concert in Cardiff, although I am worried about chafing issues with the red rubber outfit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 19:18:16 GMT
I saw Beyonce once and afterwards thought 'never again'. But not for the reasons you might think - I had such a wonderful experience that I knew it would never be as good if I ever saw her again. It was back in 2009 on her 'I Am...' tour, and the day before the show I managed to get a front row ticket to the o2 show in London. She was incredible and is perhaps the best vocalist I've ever heard. I've always said - and most probably always will - say she is the second best performer I've ever seen live after Madonna. But they are both incredibly different performers and as far as performing goes, no one can beat Madonna. The difference between a Madonna and Beyonce show is that I feel Beyonce wants to celebrate her music, whereas Madonna wants to present her music. I can't say Beyonce is bad, or shouldn't be playing stadium shows because I haven't seen her do one, but it takes someone very special to play a stadium and it isn't right for everyone. Beyonce however is at a stage where she increasingly appears conceited and actually rather arrogant with it. As a popstar she is no where near as interesting as she used to be, and I genuinely do not understand this adoration thing that surrounds her. It'll be interesting to see how long this popularity lasts, because we all know it won't. Very well put Totally agree |
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Post by stuart on Jul 22, 2016 16:50:12 GMT
Just stumbled across this thread and have to say I'm shocked at some of the reactions.
I loved every second of The Formation World Tour. The stage set up was insane, her vocals were on point, her and her dancers didn't stop for 2hrs and the atmosphere was electric. What more would you want or expect from a stadium act?
When I saw her at The Mrs Carter Show, I really didn't enjoy it. The atmosphere was terrible, the crowd remained seated for the majority of the show and she spent more time off stage getting changed than she did on it. Formation could not have been more different. Every person knew every word to every song. I'll never forget 60,000 people singing acapella to Love on Top including all 7 key changes. Goosebumps just thinking about it.
I have seen Madonna live and you CANNOT drag Beyonce for cutting songs short when you don't hear any proper hits at Madonna shows. Instead you get remixed versions of the big songs. She's been booed every time I've seen her for these dreadful remixes. If she came on and sang the hits alongside the new album stuff, the place would go nuts. Nobody is here for a jazz version of Music, a rock version of Hung Up or a waltz Like A Virgin. I can only imagine what you'd be saying if Beyoncé did a Polka version of Crazy in Love at her show.
Oh, and in reference to something else said earlier in this thread, I'm a twenty something, I earn a lot more than minimum wage, my parents did not buy my ticket for me and I'm on the property ladder. No need to be so patronising to younger people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 21:39:59 GMT
Just stumbled across this thread and have to say I'm shocked at some of the reactions. I loved every second of The Formation World Tour. The stage set up was insane, her vocals were on point, her and her dancers didn't stop for 2hrs and the atmosphere was electric. What more would you want or expect from a stadium act? When I saw her at The Mrs Carter Show, I really didn't enjoy it. The atmosphere was terrible, the crowd remained seated for the majority of the show and she spent more time off stage getting changed than she did on it. Formation could not have been more different. Every person knew every word to every song. I'll never forget 60,000 people singing acapella to Love on Top including all 7 key changes. Goosebumps just thinking about it. I have seen Madonna live and you CANNOT drag Beyonce for cutting songs short when you don't hear any proper hits at Madonna shows. Instead you get remixed versions of the big songs. She's been booed every time I've seen her for these dreadful remixes. If she came on and sang the hits alongside the new album stuff, the place would go nuts. Nobody is here for a jazz version of Music, a rock version of Hung Up or a waltz Like A Virgin. I can only imagine what you'd be saying if Beyoncé did a Polka version of Crazy in Love at her show. Oh, and in reference to something else said earlier in this thread, I'm a twenty something, I earn a lot more than minimum wage, my parents did not buy my ticket for me and I'm on the property ladder. No need to be so patronising to younger people. Some people just have REALLY low standards please don't be shocked I saw people eating hot dogs and popcorn at the concert and drinking beer from plastic glasses Just sickening really What shocks you? That people have their own strong opinions? Or perhaps that some people are not media bitches and fail to be manipulated by mass marketing and the pretence that a grown woman with a small child who can actually sing and thinks she is a feminist role model still has to appear half clothed on stage pretending she is the next Nelson Mandela and is here to address world inequality and liberate the minorities Most of the concert took place in daylight And the visuals were laughable And Madonna cannot be compared to Beyonce She has been around for 4 decades And can afford to present her material in new and innovative ways That is the point of a live show It's not a recital and I am EXACTLY there to see a unique one off version of a classic song And I am NOT there for a karaoke sing along like an idiot Beyoncé is incapable of writing any of her own songs And she failed to engage with her audience in such a large space (which was far from full given the patches of empty seats) And if people have paid for seats (applicable to the O2 where the Mrs Carte Tour was) then there is nothing wrong with sitting in them Not everyone likes to or is used to standing and screaming like a child Some people prefer to sit decorously and elegantly The main lesson for me is that stadium concerts are likely not my thing as I am used to extravagant live shows and this sort of thing is mass produced rubbish to make the artist a quick buck with minimal effort If you want insane Try seeing a live opera at the Met or La Scala One of the classic productions As a final note Madonna has managed to sell huge numbers of a recording of every single tour she has done based on the new and innovative song versions she has presented, some of which are remixes yes but others are just updated and modernised offerings She is quite clever |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 22, 2016 22:33:51 GMT
Not everyone likes to or is used to standing and screaming like a child Some people prefer to sit decorously and elegantly Lol that cracked me up Parsley. Bless you. |
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