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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 11:58:53 GMT
It's going to be a bit embaressing if the Chichester production isn't received as well as Leeds.
Also a shame its someone with links to the past revivals. Would have been nice to have a complete fresh take.
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Post by wanderingranger on Dec 26, 2023 16:46:41 GMT
Ah cool that is good to know! Cam Mac will produce Oliver next year - first in Chichester in the summer of 2024 and will then transfer the production to the West End in Jan 2025. The production will have no links at all with the Leeds Playhouse production. That production will close at the end of its Leeds run. The director of the new production will be someone already with links to the last outing of the West End production in 2009- and will not be directed by the director of the Leeds production. May I ask how you know all this? |
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Post by showtoones on Dec 26, 2023 17:18:06 GMT
It doesn’t really make sense for this to start in January, 2025 because it is such a holiday favorite that they should cash in on the holiday crowds in December. But I also think it depends on theater availability and where Cam Mack wants to put it.
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Post by jaggy on Dec 26, 2023 17:20:30 GMT
Is Damian Lewis still being eyed for this?
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Post by theatrenerd on Dec 26, 2023 22:03:59 GMT
It doesn’t really make sense for this to start in January, 2025 because it is such a holiday favorite that they should cash in on the holiday crowds in December. But I also think it depends on theater availability and where Cam Mack wants to put it. The Drury Lane production began previews in December 2008 and had it's official press night in January 2009, so perhaps it will be the same case. |
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Post by bellatheatre on Dec 27, 2023 12:01:30 GMT
Cam Mac will produce Oliver next year - first in Chichester in the summer of 2024 and will then transfer the production to the West End in Jan 2025. The production will have no links at all with the Leeds Playhouse production. That production will close at the end of its Leeds run. The director of the new production will be someone already with links to the last outing of the West End production in 2009- and will not be directed by the director of the Leeds production. May I ask how you know all this? performers are already auditioning for the project |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 27, 2023 18:48:40 GMT
Matthew Bourne is directing Chichesters one I believe If he is, I hope he’s allowed to do something brand new with it, rather than just a scaled down version of the Mendes original/Goold revival. This will be an entirely new production with no relation to the old one. They are apparently approaching it more in the ‘poor theatre’ /RSC Nicholas Nickelby way |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 27, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
That sounds cheery.
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Post by Jon on Dec 27, 2023 19:44:55 GMT
I've only seen the Palladium and Drury Lane productions of Oliver! so will be interesting to see a all new production. I wonder if we might see something that is closer to the Sean Kenny sets than the lavish Palladium set.
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Post by barrowside on Dec 28, 2023 18:06:14 GMT
I'd love to see the Sean Kenny set again - it's never been surpassed.
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Post by Jon on Dec 28, 2023 19:14:38 GMT
I'd love to see the Sean Kenny set again - it's never been surpassed. It's unlikely to return due to its age. Even The Mousetrap which has been running 70+ years replaced their set a number of times. |
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Post by ceebee on Dec 28, 2023 21:39:06 GMT
If he is, I hope he’s allowed to do something brand new with it, rather than just a scaled down version of the Mendes original/Goold revival. This will be an entirely new production with no relation to the old one. They are apparently approaching it more in the ‘poor theatre’ /RSC Nicholas Nickelby way So like the Leeds production then... |
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Post by barrowside on Dec 29, 2023 2:51:38 GMT
I'd love to see the Sean Kenny set again - it's never been surpassed. It's unlikely to return due to its age. Even The Mousetrap which has been running 70+ years replaced their set a number of times. Oh, I actually meant his design rather than the physical original. I think the version Cameron Mackintosh has in storage is from the 70s/80s revivals. It was so ahead of it's time the style of it hasn't dated. I feel it was an influence on John Napier's work for Nicholas Nickelby and Les Misérables and also the set from Hamilton is tonally very similar without the symmetry of the curving staircases. I read somewhere that Bob Crowley reassembled it and did a full set of drawings and models to document it when he was a young designer. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 8:09:46 GMT
It's unlikely to return due to its age. Even The Mousetrap which has been running 70+ years replaced their set a number of times. Oh, I actually meant his design rather than the physical original. I think the version Cameron Mackintosh has in storage is from the 70s/80s revivals. It was so ahead of it's time the style of it hasn't dated. I feel it was an influence on John Napier's work for Nicholas Nickelby and Les Misérables and also the set from Hamilton is tonally very similar without the symmetry of the curving staircases. I read somewhere that Bob Crowley reassembled it and did a full set of drawings and models to document it when he was a young designer. At the back of my mind I thought that someone said when this was first mooted this new production would be closer to that production rather than the extravagant Palladium production. Maybe not an exact remont, but inspired by. |
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Post by BVM on Dec 29, 2023 9:28:58 GMT
Who designed the Palladium and Drury Lane sets and were they (more or less) identical?
Didn’t see Palladium but remember the fuss about it when was a teenager. Did see Drury Lane!
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Post by BVM on Dec 29, 2023 10:39:23 GMT
Who designed the Palladium and Drury Lane sets and were they (more or less) identical? Didn’t see Palladium but remember the fuss about it when was a teenager. Did see Drury Lane! Same designer (Anthony Ward) Due to the nature of the stage the Palladium design was more elongated and "cinemascopeish" whereas the Drury Lane was more square and compact.Both were very traditonal. Oliver! was the first musical I saw - Piccadilly Theatre 1967 - and still remember Sean Kenny's revolutionary - in more ways than one! - design that got me hooked not only into musicals but also set design. Thank you :-) I remember being impressed with the size and scale of the Drury Lane set - especially as was the era where the mega musicals were very much on the way out. Well, already out I guess. Sorry next question - what made the Sean Kenny set revolutionary? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 10:57:01 GMT
I hope the new version is darker and more realistic, and definitely no breaking the 4th wall like at drury Lane and on tour. Made it slightly panto like.
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Post by BVM on Dec 29, 2023 11:54:30 GMT
Thank you :-) I remember being impressed with the size and scale of the Drury Lane set - especially as was the era where the mega musicals were very much on the way out. Well, already out I guess. Sorry next question - what made the Sean Kenny set revolutionary? In the early 60's most musical sets were painted drop cloths and trucks with front cloths used to mask set changes. That's why in most musicals at that time had comedy numbers performed in front of the stage while the new full stage set was set up behind. For Oliver! as the main set was on a revolve - with two wing peices on either side coming in to the revolve for the "smaller" scenes - all the scene changes were done in front of the audience and not hidden. Thanks very much! Total set geek so find this stuff really interesting :-) |
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Post by Jon on Dec 29, 2023 12:17:07 GMT
I think Cameron wouldn't want to use Sean Kenny's designs since he'd have to pay royalties whereas someone like say like Es Devlin or Rae Smith could create something fresh.
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Post by princeton on Dec 29, 2023 13:23:20 GMT
Matthew Bourne's usual collaborator is designing.
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Post by Jon on Dec 29, 2023 13:37:04 GMT
Matthew Bourne's usual collaborator is designing. Lez Brotherston? |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Dec 29, 2023 14:32:37 GMT
Matt Kinley (Miss Saigon. Les Mis ect) designed an excellent set for the Curve production of Oliver that Paul Kerryson directed as his farewell show. In fact most of Cameron's go to creative team worked on that apart from Paul himself, not normal for Curve, which made me think at the time that the idea was for that to have a further life but no. I don't think Curve have ever beaten that set for Oliver. It was a two storey set designed with various parts of the set opening out like books to reveal different rooms, a bit like the way the Mary Poppins house did and had various completely 3d contained rooms truck in and out as well, Peter Polycarpou was Fagin and Laura Pit Pulford was Nancy.
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Post by barrowside on Dec 29, 2023 18:50:59 GMT
Some images of the Sean Kenny set from a 1980 replica production in Dublin. It consisted mainly of the central revolve with the curved staircases, flanked by wooden scaffolding at both sides against a London backdrop. The staircases rotated to create all the locales with some flying pieces such as the workhouse gate, the chimneypiece from Fagin's Den and London Bridge. It seemed to capture all the life and energy of Victorian London as the cast moved around and over it. I remember the lighting as being very moody and atmospheric also.
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