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Post by horton on Jun 24, 2016 8:27:14 GMT
Well what a day.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 24, 2016 9:15:15 GMT
I read the title in Julie Andrews voice
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 9:16:17 GMT
I'll miss you guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 9:23:11 GMT
We're all going to hell aren't we?
I should have known it was run by Boris Johnson and Trump
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Post by westendwendy on Jun 24, 2016 9:26:47 GMT
What does it mean for the theatre world?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 9:32:15 GMT
My personal fear is the disintegration of the EU and, eventually, war. So I hope that the EU negotiates a punitive exit deal with the UK, to deter other member states from choosing to leave. I also hope that the North of Ireland votes for unification with Ireland and that Scotland votes for independence and is able to negotiate to remain within the EU. Finally, let us hope that England and Wales suffer the continued decline which they deserve.
EDIT: This isn't a reply to westendwendy!
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 9:36:44 GMT
What does it mean for the theatre world? Especially for all those British actors working abroad? For example, most cast members of Starlight Express in Bochum are British. Same for European tours. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 9:43:54 GMT
I think in terms of theatre/arts in general it's a massive blow. There is much funding from European central sources, and much collaboration with European countries which means access to their native sources of funding. This isn't so much an issue for the 'big' players but for the smaller level companies this will I'm sure have a detrimental affect. A tiny case study- I put in funding bids in the last year (in my former job) to 3 central European funders, one Italian and one German.
There's also the European money that gets pumped into regeneration and arts related projects in areas of Britain-the Welsh Valleys have had many many such projects over the years.
Most importantly perhaps is the ease of working across Europe, not just touring etc which is obviously a big help financially without added visas etc etc but also just in terms of knowing there's a freedom of artistic collaboration.
I don't think it will stop the bigger companies touring things like Starlight, because the producers behind will probably swallow any finanical hit. But for smaller companies I think it will have a really negative impact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:01:44 GMT
Yes, without EU projects, UK regional development could collapse because UK national government has stripped local authorities of the ability to financially support it, and UK national government has neither the will nor the expert knowledge to support it. And the UK economy will be traumatised and probably permanently weakened by leaving the EU so there is less scope for UK government to act even if it wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:07:16 GMT
Exactly. And there has long been I think a sense by the Government of 'oh well we don't NEED to find the money there because the EU will plug the gap' and now without it, well...
I got told off on Facebook for calling Leave voters idiots today...I think that was an incredibly reserved choice of words personally.
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Post by TheatreDust on Jun 24, 2016 10:12:00 GMT
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Post by Steve on Jun 24, 2016 10:21:52 GMT
I can't let Europe go. I can't. There must be some way to bring Europe back. Oh, I can't think about this now! I'll go crazy if I do! I'll think about it tomorrow. But I must think about it. I must think about it. . . I'll think of some way to get Europe back. After all... tomorrow is another day!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:24:18 GMT
After all... tomorrow is another day! Tomorrow belongs to me Off to Cabaret tonight at RWCMD! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:24:40 GMT
My personal fear is the disintegration of the EU and, eventually, war. I had lunch in a pub yesterday and there were a couple of people at a table nearby talking about the referendum. One said that she was afraid an exit might lead to war, but also said she couldn't be bothered to vote. WTF? I don't know what else she had to do that afternoon, but it must have been really important. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 24, 2016 10:26:05 GMT
Finally, let us hope that England and Wales suffer the continued decline which they deserve. Sorry but the rest of us, including those of us who voted remain and love our country and Europe, will be making sure that does not happen. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 24, 2016 10:29:15 GMT
At least artists will be inspired by this.
Artists are always inspired in tough times.
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 10:40:03 GMT
At least artists will be inspired by this. Artists are always inspired in tough times. Brexit the Musical? Who could be cast as David Cameron, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:41:55 GMT
Finally, let us hope that England and Wales suffer the continued decline which they deserve. Sorry but the rest of us, including those of us who voted remain and love our country and Europe, will be making sure that does not happen. It is for the "love of Europe" that it is best that England and Wales dwindle and that the remaining EU strengthens and doesn't destabilise itself further. That is in the longterm security interest of England and Wales. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 24, 2016 11:04:36 GMT
Sorry but the rest of us, including those of us who voted remain and love our country and Europe, will be making sure that does not happen. It is for the "love of Europe" that it is best that England and Wales dwindle and that the remaining EU strengthens and doesn't destabilise itself further. That is in the longterm security interest of England and Wales. That's not quite the same sentiment as your original "let us hope that England and Wales suffer the continued decline which they deserve" though. |
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Post by jaqs on Jun 24, 2016 11:52:50 GMT
Presumably equity will have to come up with agreements with Eu countries for exchanges etc as it does with the US. Though until we know what our working rights will be we won't know.
What it means for visitor numbers in the west end could be scary. I wonder if we'll have a boom of people visiting London before we go and then a desert.
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Post by westendwendy on Jun 24, 2016 11:58:07 GMT
What does it mean for the theatre world? Especially for all those British actors working abroad? For example, most cast members of Starlight Express in Bochum are British. Same for European tours. I doubt it will make any difference to Starlight in Bochum - they also hire actors from America, Canada and Oz. If Meinolf the producer, Arlene, Debbie Hearden want someone specific to join the cast they will get them.
The cast members already need to sign so many documents to work there anyway. (Ahem maybe I know from personal experience) so leaving the EU won't mean anything.
As for the West End. I doubt people will stop visiting London.. If anything they will come more if the dollar is stronger!
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Post by n1david on Jun 24, 2016 12:10:59 GMT
Those Hamilton tickets on Broadway just got even more expensive in Sterling terms...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 12:22:44 GMT
I thought it was amusing/telling/awful that less than an hour after leave had won Nigel Farage was on tv say the £350,000,000 a week they said would be goi g on NHS wouldn't be happening and shouldn't have been part of the campaign! Literally the dust hadn't settled and they where admitting they where just lying
Can't believe that we (Royal we, I didn't) voted to leave, we have no idea what's going to happen, we just did it as a V sign to Europe! Talk about cutting ur nose off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 12:55:20 GMT
Can't believe that we (Royal we, I didn't) voted to leave, we have no idea what's going to happen, we just did it as a V sign to Europe! Talk about cutting ur nose off. And yet sadly the 'V sign to Europe' appears to have had the desired effect, judging by the quotes from other European leaders today. The majority put a focus on the need for reform in order to bring their people/other peoples along with them, if the EU is to enjoy a successful future. We can criticise Brexit voters all we like, but the fact is that when Cameron went to the EU and asked for similar concessions, the EU basically put their fingers in their ears and went 'la la la, can't hear you'. Granting some measly concessions on the proviso that you can then revoke those concessions in future hardly inspires confidence in a union or gives the sense that the UK was considered in any way important, does it? They were so arrogant at that point, they never thought we'd leave. So I can understand why some voters would be tempted to take back control (however illusory that control is). |
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 13:03:56 GMT
We can criticise Brexit voters all we like, but the fact is that when Cameron went to the EU and asked for similar concessions, the EU basically put their fingers in their ears and went 'la la la, can't hear you'. Granting some measly concessions on the proviso that you can then revoke those concessions in future hardly inspires confidence in a union or gives the sense that the UK was considered in any way important, does it? They were so arrogant at that point, they never thought we'd leave. So I can understand why some voters would be tempted to take back control (however illusory that control is). Out of interest: why should the EU have given the UK even further concessions and discounts above and beyond the ones it already has? Personally, I think it should be the same for all EU countries and the UK shouldn't have even been granted its current concessions. You can't benefit from all the advantages without having to accept all the downsides. |
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