X Factor the Musical

[jamie2c]

This show ran for 10 years and was the number one show on TV at it`s peak. I am sure there is enough drama and great songs and performances in there to make an entertaining night out. Simon Cowell got burned once by investing in a theatre show (I can`t Sing). However, no producer has an over 50% hit rate. Definitely worth a try, imo.

[alece10]

As you mentioned it's already been done and flopped so not sure why anyone would want to try again.
I actually saw I Can't Sing and thought itnwas grest fun.

[jamie2c]

Jul 11, 2023 7:11:14 GMT alece10 said:

As you mentioned it's already been done and flopped so not sure why anyone would want to try again.
I actually saw I Can't Sing and thought itnwas grest fun.

Really ? Has this theatre show been done before ?


100 views in 23 minutes.

[theatrefan62]

Also the x factor is a dying/dead brand. In fact talent shows in general aren't as popular as they once were. If it couldn't succeed when it was arguably more popular with viewers, I'm not sure it could now.

[ceebee]

It's a "no" from me.

[Being Alive]

They tried this with I Can't Sing when X factor was at its peak which was literally the X Factor Musical with Simon as a character.

It lost 5 million pounds.

I'm out.

[adamkinsey]

As others have said it's literally been done once and did badly. You want a sequel?

I Can't Sing Too

[mkb]

If any tv producer is looking for an idea, I tell you what would appeal to me:

- A talent show that actually recognises and showcases undiscovered talent.

What I am totally turned off by are:

- Shows with a clear, producer-driven narrative;
- Competitor back stories;
- Untalented competitors being put to air just so that they can be mocked and laughed at;
- Manufactured/contrived jeopardy;
- Major dramas being made out of minor issues;
- Judges delivering pre-scripted witty lines as though they had just thought of them;
- Judges pretending to be wowed and shocked by proceedings that they have already been briefed about;
- Judges with an agenda;
- Judges voicing "opinions" just to stand out;
- Fancy fast vision editing, just because you can, but which means you struggle to actually see what's going on, and miss key bits of a performance;
- Creating the impression that it's perfectly acceptable for audience members to sing along, heckle, shout, talk to each other during performances, clap mid-performance at the slightest thing, and start the final applause several seconds before the act has finished.

It's not really any surprise that ratings for tv talent shows are in decline. Most people have long-since cottoned on to the formulaic production values and have tuned out bored.

[stevej678]

Jul 11, 2023 7:32:04 GMT jamie2c said:

100 views in 23 minutes.

Wow, get the Dominion booked this instant.

Actually, scratch that. Let's go for The O2.

[A.Ham]

Dear God, please, no!

[BurlyBeaR]

Jul 11, 2023 11:47:55 GMT mkb said:

If any tv producer is looking for an idea, I tell you what would appeal to me:

- A talent show that actually recognises and showcases undiscovered talent.

What I am totally turned off by are:

- Shows with a clear, producer-driven narrative;
- Competitor back stories;
- Untalented competitors being put to air just so that they be mocked and laughed at;
- Manufactured/contrived jeopardy;
- Major dramas being made out of minor issues;
- Judges delivering pre-scripted witty lines as though they had just thought of them;
- Judges pretending to be wowed and shocked by proceedings that they have already been briefed about;
- Judges with an agenda;
- Judges voicing "opinions" just to stand out;
- Fancy fast vision editing, just because you can, but which means you struggle to actually see what's going on, and miss key bits of a performance;
- Creating the impression that it's perfectly acceptable for audience members to sing along, heckle, shout, talk to each other during performances, clap mid-performance at the slightest thing, and start the final applause several seconds before the act has finished.

It's not really any surprise that ratings for tv talent shows are in decline. Most people have long-since cottoned on to the formulaic production values and have tuned out bored.

Isn’t that what the BBC tried to do with Fame Academy? 

[mkb]

Jul 11, 2023 16:05:50 GMT BurlyBeaR said:

Isn’t that what the BBC tried to do with Fame Academy? 

Not really. While it suffered from fewer of the "scripted reality" traits, it was nevertheless an attempt to cross a talent show with Big Brother, so it became less about the contestants' talents and more about whether you liked them as people in the house.

It did produce Lemar though, although arguably he was breaking through anyway.

[danb]

Love Lemar!!!

[nick]

Jul 11, 2023 11:47:55 GMT mkb said:

If any tv producer is looking for an idea, I tell you what would appeal to me:

- A talent show that actually recognises and showcases undiscovered talent.

What I am totally turned off by are:

- Shows with a clear, producer-driven narrative;
- Competitor back stories;
- Untalented competitors being put to air just so that they be mocked and laughed at;
- Manufactured/contrived jeopardy;
- Major dramas being made out of minor issues;
- Judges delivering pre-scripted witty lines as though they had just thought of them;
- Judges pretending to be wowed and shocked by proceedings that they have already been briefed about;
- Judges with an agenda;
- Judges voicing "opinions" just to stand out;
- Fancy fast vision editing, just because you can, but which means you struggle to actually see what's going on, and miss key bits of a performance;
- Creating the impression that it's perfectly acceptable for audience members to sing along, heckle, shout, talk to each other during performances, clap mid-performance at the slightest thing, and start the final applause several seconds before the act has finished.

It's not really any surprise that ratings for tv talent shows are in decline. Most people have long-since cottoned on to the formulaic production values and have tuned out bored.

I've been watching some ancient New Faces from the 1970s which try to be what you describe and, apart from being a fascinating time capsule, it isn't very interesting.

[mkb]

Jul 11, 2023 17:57:38 GMT nick said:

I've been watching some ancient New Faces from the 1970s which try to be what you describe and, apart from being a fascinating time capsule, it isn't very interesting.

Each to his own. I remember watching New Faces and Opportunity Knocks, and they were both far more enjoyable than any of the tiresome contrived nonsense we have today, although New Faces did always have a Cowell-esque bad-cop judge who would often be critical just for the sake if it.

The irony is that the acts now are generally of a much higher quality. But today's acts themselves are only on for about a quarter of the running time. If they could ditch all the fake padding, talent shows might be worth watching. As it is, I'd much rather see a variety show in a theatre.

[Seriously]

I'm not sure you're going to get people to pay to see something they can already get for free at home.

[nick]

Jul 12, 2023 0:01:44 GMT mkb said:

Jul 11, 2023 17:57:38 GMT nick said:

I've been watching some ancient New Faces from the 1970s which try to be what you describe and, apart from being a fascinating time capsule, it isn't very interesting.

Each to his own. I remember watching New Faces and Opportunity Knocks, and they were both far more enjoyable than any of the tiresome contrived nonsense we have today, although New Faces did always have a Cowell-esque bad-cop judge who would often be critical just for the sake if it.

The irony is that the acts now are generally of a much higher quality. But today's acts themselves are only on for about a quarter of the running time. If they could ditch all the fake padding, talent shows might be worth watching. As it is, I'd much rather see a variety show in a theatre.

Actually many episodes of New Faces DON'T have a Cowell character (I assume you mean Micky Most and/or Tony Hatch). They're all too nicey nicey in the few I've looked at. At his best Simon's criticisms are highly constructive. There's little development of the acts on New Faces - often their second appearance is worse than their first as they used their best material first time round.

Somebody mentioned Fame Academy upthread. For me that was the best talent show format. We saw the acts develop and improve over the run and the production was more supportive but didn't hold back from positive criticism. But clearly it didn't find enough of an audience.