Sunset Boulevard – Savoy Theatre 2023/24

[SuttonPeron]

There seems to be fairly good dynamic pricing for this, if it´s any use to you.

[akh]

Sept 26, 2023 11:16:15 GMT alece10 said:

I'm interested to hear if Nicole and Tom are more relaxed and smiling at curtain call now.
On the first night they were either trying to hold in their emotions or if they stayed in character throughout.
Thoughts from anyone who has seen it since Thursday.

This was the first preview and if you watch Nicole smiles and flicks her hair towards the end.

[Being Alive]

That very much is not a thing going forward (I imagine ALW/Lloyd went....no)

[doornumberthree]

Sept 28, 2023 12:10:09 GMT akh said:

Sept 26, 2023 11:16:15 GMT alece10 said:

I'm interested to hear if Nicole and Tom are more relaxed and smiling at curtain call now.
On the first night they were either trying to hold in their emotions or if they stayed in character throughout.
Thoughts from anyone who has seen it since Thursday.

This was the first preview and if you watch Nicole smiles and flicks her hair towards the end.

As iconic as her doing the Blue Ivy choreography was, it was definitely just a one time only thing. Maybe she was just so thrilled to get through her first performance

[theatreian]

The Orchestra sounded fabulous on that clip. Not too long until I get to see it in mid October.

[sophie92]

Sept 28, 2023 10:25:35 GMT evilmat360 said:

Sept 28, 2023 9:13:54 GMT Oleanna said:

Have the U30s tickets sold out?

Yes, the Ticket Info page on the website now has

All 5,000 £20 tickets for this specific purpose of audience development have now sold out, but £20 tickets in the upper circle are available to all on a first-come first-served basis via the normal booking channels.

They made more than 5000 tickets available then (which wasn’t how it was worded on the specific page of the website) as tickets that were part of the offer are still available, just now at full price.

[ceebee]

Sept 28, 2023 15:02:40 GMT theatreian said:

The Orchestra sounded fabulous on that clip. Not too long until I get to see it in mid October.

It sounds glorious in the theatre - enjoy your trip to this stunning show.

[frankubelik]

As I feared, this was not for me. The truncated title speaks volumes for we are not seeing Sunset Boulevard as written and as such it makes no sense. It's really a concert version. Joe and Betty very good. Unsure why everyone played "to the front". From the reaction last night "it's a hit". I could not wait to leave.

[BVM]

Sept 29, 2023 7:14:48 GMT frankubelik said:

As I feared, this was not for me. The truncated title speaks volumes for we are not seeing Sunset Boulevard as written and as such it makes no sense. It's really a concert version. Joe and Betty very good. Unsure why everyone played "to the front". From the reaction last night "it's a hit". I could not wait to leave.

Fully appreciate this isn't for everyone and you definitely won't be alone in not liking it. It's a vision, no doubt. 

I would say though that it really isn't a concert version. It's staged to within an inch of it's life! Character depictions, detailed choreography, dramatic lighting design, technically complex interwoven live video, the stunning Act 2 opener. And orchestra in the pit. Simple set design yes, but this is as fully "staged" as things come IMHO!

[Being Alive]

Yeah I don't know how you can say this is a concert version....!

[BVM]

Sept 29, 2023 10:45:41 GMT Being Alive said:

Yeah I don't know how you can say this is a concert version....!

Indeed. 

Do wonder if the relatively simple set can lead people to think it's a simple staging - it's actually technically relatively complex I think!

[ceebee]

I've not seen a concert version of anything with such a disciplined and tight ensemble that is playing to both an audience (front) and several cameras (front and side).

On this basis, Come From Away must have been the west-end's longest running concert.

[kyvai]

I think maybe it’s mixing up “set” and “staging” - but also, I think the recent concerts of various productions have all been semi-staged to various degrees so it’s a blurry line and confusing!

Once at the Palladium for example had virtually identical staging to the previous full production as far as I remember it. Love Never Dies was costumed, choreographed, had some set pieces. LND depicted the carriage ride more clearly than the car chase is depicted in Sunset Blvd…..I didn’t get that Joe was using the camera as the wheel of the car, I just thought they were introducing the camera in a credits-style section and showing off how steady it is no matter how you turn it! I went in to Sunset just knowing the gist of the story and the big songs, I didn’t know that a car chase was meant to go there. It’s only reading posts on here the morning after that now I realise that was the car bit!

Anyway, I really enjoyed this. I really didn’t like Oklahoma (found it boring) and I hated the only other Jamie Lloyd production I’ve seen, The Seagull, I found it all so contrived. Sunset however - yes there’s a lot of directorial conceit and gimmick, but the power of the performances, both dramatically and vocally, either pull it off or make up for it, I can’t decide which.

Nicole’s big numbers blew me away, and the entr’acte/title song start of Act2…….wowza. So glad I went in blind not expecting that. I wanted to give that a standing ovation and I *never* feel like that mid show.

[A.Ham]

So I got to see this last night and can finally return to this thread after a week of desperately wanting to look but knowing I'd spoil it if I did. Still processing, and there were elements I didn't like, but overall I loved it, once I'd got my head around just how different it is - from both Sunset as I know it, and from anything else I've seen in the theatre. Very much looking forward to having a leisurely read through the 13 pages I've missed to see what everyone else thought...

I spent the first 15 minutes thinking 'what on earth?' and then started to settle into the style of the piece and enjoy it. Loved the huge screen which added so much - less keen on the hamming and side-eyes to the cameras themselves, but as a metaphor it was great. Nicole's 'With One Look' blew me away and the applause went on and on. I also loved Tom's SB at the top of Act II, the backstage stuff was great (with even a glimpse of The Turban!) and then to actually leave the theatre, come back in and be back on stage right on cue was brilliant - all with an umbrella too as it was a bit drizzly last night.

The ending certainly had the impact you'd expect, with the lights on for just long enough then cutting to black again. And just as I'd been thinking when will we get the famous 'close up' line, there it was. There seemed to be quite a few changes to script and I noticed 'The Lady's Paying' had been cut too, I'm sure those more familiar will have given more detail on these changes above when I read back over the past week's posts.

Finally, and what made me love it, was the orchestra - WOW! It sounded incredible. It's a beautiful score, full of course of ALW's signature ear-worm hooks that are still running round my head today, and the orchestra really did it justice. This new take on the show certainly presented a new way to dream!

I was also hugely lucky to have no one in the two seats in front of me, so my hoped-for front-row seat in row C of the stalls (which then became second row when they put B on sale) was still a reality. A perfect view, although there's of course no rake at all there so others in my row were struggling to see round heads at some points.

[Jon]

I'm honestly looking forward to this, not that big on Nicole but the concept of a reimagined Sunset Boulevard is intriguing.

[A.Ham]

Sept 22, 2023 17:42:15 GMT danb said:

Boring seating question ahoy. If row B is the front row is the orchestra in a nice wide pit meaning I won’t just spend the night looking up Scherzys nose?

Not at all, no.  I was sat in row C and those in B have plenty of legroom in front of them, plus the orchestra pit, so the angle looked to be pretty reasonable.  Probably 8 feet at least from row B to stage edge.

[A.Ham]

Sept 23, 2023 16:30:05 GMT longinthetooth said:

I'm assuming Joe walks up the steps beside the Coal Hole to the Strand? Just wondering how he will manage this whilst still singing when the steps are choc a bloc with drinkers spilling out of the pub? I've walked up there a few times and it can be manic.

Agreed, but it looked to me like the venue security team are clearing a path for him so he can continue unimpeded to stick to the timing. 

Clearly that'll be a lot harder on Fridays and Saturdays, and as others have said, it's all timed so critically that one hold-up at the Coal Hole or on The Strand itself could throw a spanner in the works.  Having said that, I can't imagine they'd be doing it if they'd not planned for most eventualities and be confident it can work.  

[A.Ham]

Sept 23, 2023 21:25:24 GMT toomasj said:

Of course, this could be easily avoided by a simple rebrand; “The New Sunset Boulevard”, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” - for instance (but better!). They’ve half-heartedly attempted this by rebranding as “Sunset Blvd”, but it’s hardly an indicator of what this production will offer.

Perhaps they could position it as 'Sunset Boulevard: A New Way To Dream' to give some clue it's not Sunset as we know it?

[danb]

Or perhaps people could just get over it and realise that its a (radical?) new production. Nothing about any of the marketing looks like any other of its old productions. They don’t use any words like ‘classic’ or any other heritage claims.

[Jon]

Sept 29, 2023 16:41:22 GMT danb said:

Or perhaps people could just get over it and realise that its a (radical?) new production. Nothing about any of the marketing looks like any other of its old productions. They don’t use any words like ‘classic’ or any other heritage claims.

I agree, it's really the refuseniks who can't accept new versions of shows. 


 

[141920grm]

Sept 29, 2023 16:41:22 GMT danb said:

Or perhaps people could just get over it and realise that its a (radical?) new production. Nothing about any of the marketing looks like any other of its old productions. They don’t use any words like ‘classic’ or any other heritage claims.

right… it’s not as if they’ve called this The Brilliant Original 👀

the sans serif typography, overall modern branding AND the fact that all the promotional graphics couldn’t look more different to the old street sign logo should give enough hints this isn’t a revival of the original production?

[Jon]

The marketing for Sunset Boulevard both the original and the current posters is typical Jamie Lloyd.

[Oobi]

Hm. Well.

I saw this yesterday evening and came out with conflicting thoughts. There's some wonderful dance, the performances are uniformly breathtaking, the audio might be the best I've ever heard in a large West End theatre... but ultimately, I came away feeling that I'd just watched two hours of a square peg attempting to force itself into a round hole.

I'm no purist, and I'm no hater of minimalism. But fundamentally, the issue here is that the material doesn't lend itself to minimalist staging. It's too broad; too reliant on props and costumes and environments and the moment-to-moment minutia of character interactions. In comparison to prior productions, a whole lotta stuff has been lost but very little has been gained.

"Here's that 'Bases Loaded' material," Betty says in her first scene - but she's carrying nothing, so the thread of the conversation is lost. "I'll see you again when I surrender," Norma weeps - but the moment is confusing because we don't know who or what she's singing about until Joe delivers some new dialogue about looking into an adjacent room and seeing a dead chimp. "Looks like six very important pictures," Joe quips - but the joke fails to land because there's no stack of papers for either him or Norma to gesture towards. "Did you see how they all came crowding around?" Norma says to DeMille - but she's been totally alone for the entire Paramount scene. "Thanks for the use of the trinkets," Joe mocks - but no trinkets have been established. "Mad about the boy," Norma screams in her final scene - but since the cigarette case and all references to it have been cut, that phrase means literally nothing.

But whatever. If you want to stage a version of Sunset Boulevard that forces the audience to dynamically figure out what's happening, then fine. I may not like it, but if push comes to shove, I'm able to imagine chimps and scripts and crowds and trinkets.

What I can't imagine though are the actors' performances. The direction here is inexplicable - unmotivated, unengaging, boring. Almost every scene in the first fifteen minutes is staged in the exact same way: the characters stand center stage, face the audience, and recite their lines with neither emotion nor intonation nor facial expressions. I could maybe see this working if Joe were a morbidly depressed character for whom every conversation was a vapid slog, but that's not who he is. Let's Have Lunch is supposed to be a chaotic, eclectic number; Joe bounces from networking with casual acquaintances to eagerly greeting old friends to pleading with his agent to humorously misleading hitmen. These interactions are completely different in tone - so why stage them all in the same soulless, sterile way?

If I weren't already a fan of the material, I think this sequence would've severely impacted my enjoyment of the rest of the show. God knows how the audience is supposed to follow along when the guy blaring "WE WANT THE KEYS TO YOUR CAR!" appears to be completely ignoring Joe, staring off in the opposite direction with a blank expression.

On the other hand, when we get to the house, the acting swings to the other extreme. I'm sure this is intentional - Norma riding high on the drug of her past while Hollywood keeps cynically churning out commercial content - but the sudden tonal shift threw me off. The Salome sequence is less "I've Written a Letter to Daddy" and more "Evil Peter Parker", with Nicole twerking and rolling all over the stage and pulling ridiculous faces at the camera. It's one thing to present her talent as decaying; it's another to make me wonder how she ever became a star in the first place.

Speaking of which, I guess I should comment on the screen. In principle, the idea of a screen as the centerpiece for a Sunset Boulevard production is obviously great (the final moments are crying out for a giant image of Norma's face to be projected onto the wall behind her). And it's been done to great effect before: think of the new Oklahoma's Pore Jud is Daid sequence. The screen allowed the audience to see every bead of sweat on Jud's face, every flinch of self-loathing, and how it contrasted with Curly's scathing impassivity. The subtlety of the characters' emotions was important to the scene, ergo the camera magnified them.

But in this production... well, since every non-Norma actor appears to have been given the direction to remain as apathetic and emotionless as possible, the camera more often than not reveals nothing. Joe and Betty's conversations are mostly shown in close-up, but their chemistry remains non-existent. Even toward the end of By This Time Next Year, a moment that's unambiguously supposed to be hopeful for the two of them, their expressions look like those of prisoners of war. Why?

The attempts at cinematography are laughable. When Joe and Betty chat in By This Time Next Year, Artie is framed between the two of them. Wow. So bold, so clever. Then - get this - in the reprise of Boy Meets Girl, Norma is framed between the two of them. Wow. They said it couldn't be done once, so it was done twice! Then - get this - in the middle of the same goddamn scene - brace yourself - Artie walks in between the two of them, maneuvering his way around Norma (who's still standing there). Wow. I mean, wow! How does Jamie Lloyd come up with this stuff, huh?

The other directorial "flourishes" are similarly lazy and repetitive. Whenever anyone brings up Norma's past, a younger version of her comes on stage to meander about for a few moments. When Norma asks whether Joe has a girlfriend, the actress for Betty does the same thing. It's not evocative, it's intrusive - like an anime flashing back to five minutes ago because it doesn't trust viewers' memories to stretch back that far. We know Joe is thinking about Betty, we don't need to freaking see her on stage!

The common denominator here is tonal dissonance for tonal dissonance's sake. Instead of allowing a scene's emotions to naturally flow as written, every beat needs extra postmodern "commentary". It's not enough for the dishonesty of DeMille's assurances to Norma to be implied; we have to see a giant DeMille projected onto the screen, drenched in shadow like some Star Wars villain. It's not enough for the wrongness of Joe and Betty's kiss to be implied; we have to see a giant Artie projected onto the screen with a single soap opera tear flowing down his cheek (funniest sh*t I've seen in weeks). I was told Jamie Lloyd is a "daring" theatre director; is this seriously the extent of his imagination?

There are some bright spots. The first car chase is an effective visual, and I loved the use of opening credits. Max's lines are often presented via creepily intimate camera close-ups, which I think works for the character. Norma's two big solos are excellent (although the deserted stage for Never Said Goodbye is tremendously boring in comparison to the "freezeframe" from prior productions).

And yes, the title song is astounding. To all the doubters, I think I can confirm the recording is live; rain was just beginning to fall in the interval, and sure enough, as Joe left the theatre he grabbed an umbrella and performed in the rain. And unlike the rest of the show, the "artistic point" being made is kinda subtle and intriguing, drawing a parallel between Joe's success in Hollywood and a modern actor's success in London. But this theme is left unsupported. As people have already remarked on this thread, the rest of the show has not been modernized in any significant way.

Act 2 proceeds in much the same way as act 1, with the same repetitive, subtle-as-a-sledgehammer gimmicks. The final scene change puts Betty on the screen, pulling some "screamy" faces that I guess are supposed to represent her inner emotional state or something. Meanwhile, Norma and Joe and Max sprint back and forth across the stage like they're playing tag. When the music reaches its climax ("Sunset Boulevard! Da-da-da-dada...") the rest of the cast run on and stand totally still as the lighting goes red. Rarely have I seen such gorgeous music accompanied by such a wet fart of a visual sequence.

In summary, no, I don't think this production comes anywhere close to working. I'll give it a 5/10 for the material, performances, audio and dance, but in terms of direction I found very little to appreciate - and indeed, a lot to dislike.

[toomasj]

Sept 29, 2023 16:22:44 GMT A.Ham said:

Sept 23, 2023 21:25:24 GMT toomasj said:

Of course, this could be easily avoided by a simple rebrand; “The New Sunset Boulevard”, “Sunset Boulevard: The New Millennium” - for instance (but better!). They’ve half-heartedly attempted this by rebranding as “Sunset Blvd”, but it’s hardly an indicator of what this production will offer.

Perhaps they could position it as 'Sunset Boulevard: A New Way To Dream' to give some clue it's not Sunset as we know it?

Couldn’t agree more. The thing is, sometimes you get pooh-poohed (and never pooh pooh a pooh pooh!) if your view doesn’t line up. But the reason I even mentioned this is because there are such things as coach trips containing the elderly hoping to see something “traditional”. Believe it or not this is a thing still - my Aunt does them.

My point is the name of a show can’t be used as an attraction and also a catch-all defence of avant-garde interpretations being considered the same as what people expect from experience or reputation.

You either rename or deliver.

[Jon]

I suspect if the usual suspects had their way, every production that is revived and not a museum piece would be renamed. That'll be a lot of productions that'll have to renamed and that's including shows like Cabaret and Guys and Dolls.